bombings in Belgium

Casualties at PH were 3581; casualties in Zaventem and Brussels were: 335 X 12 = 4020.

The crime was collective . The guilt is collective. Thus the punishment must be collective .

 

But the casualties in Brussels weren't all Belgians either were they? So do we include the populations they were from or subtract them? Irrelevant in any case as I mentioned earlier.

The crime may be collective but in WWII it was Japan that attacked PH so Japan bore the collective guilt. In the case of the attack in Brussels it was Daesh that attacked so they bear the collective guilt. Just like we didn't assign collective guilt to everyone in Asia for PH. Your position is so flawed it is nonsensical and indeed plays into the hands of Daesh.

 

It is the POV of the Muslims that in the ME and other places where they are the masters (and where they will be the masters) there is no place for non Muslims; thus,why should there be any place in Europe for Muslims, especially as they prove everyday their hostility and disloyalty to us .

 

It is complicated. I am a Christian. I have been in a mosque in the US where I was shocked at the anti US propaganda in the library. It was violent in nature and that was some time ago. I weigh that against the fact that some of my best friends who I would trust absolutely are in fact Muslim. Blanket statements aren't that helpful. Take the Turkish Muslims out of Germany and economic chaos would ensue.

But even that is complicated: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/turkish-immigration-to-germany-a-sorry-history-of-self-deception-and-wasted-opportunities-a-716067.html

 

what?? how does this compute??

 

I would think it rather obvious. There is not trustworthy supporting infrastructure in place. Terrorist who come here and expect sanctuary in the Arab American community are likely to find that the FBI has their names in fairly short order.

 

ha--that didn't stop 9-11. Ft Hood. San Fran, etc etc etc..they don't need infrastructure....9-11 proves that

 

Boston bombing is a perfect example of why you should profile by culture......of all people to let in the country..I saw it coming...the Moscow theater massacre....the Beslan school----SCHOOL--massacre....now here is the key point-->it's not just 1, 2, or 5 terrorists from Chechnya, but dozens--key word dozens!..men and women in a group committing murder and killing children! ! ..by Chechnyans...just like in Ferguson culture...not 1, or 5 or 10 people looting, but dozens!!
the percentage is too high to say their culture [ Chechnya ] is not dangerous.....
''Americans do the same'' .... negative negative...please, the stats are there
Chechnyans--predominantly Muslim....my god----the Boston bombers were of a very, very tiny percentage of the American population [ Chechnyans, etc ]--and they bombed Americans....you could see it coming ! unless you are PC blind

''According to FBI interrogators, Dzhokhar and his brother were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs,''

bold for emphasis only



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

https://www.google.com/search?q=moscow+theater+attack&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

allow me to repeat something I posted earlier in another thread
I worked with a Russian engineer that came over to the US.....he was the nicest person.....he was like Mr Whipple on the Charmen commercials.....super polite, nice, etc....I asked him about the Chechnyans ,,he said

''kill them all''...very seriously.....and then he turned and walked away.....I was very, very shocked to hear this from him
even if they blew up a city, you would still say ''let them come over''...no?

 

Indeed it didn't stop 9/11 in part because they kept away from American Moslems. We've also put measures in place that would make it very difficult to repeat 9/11. Of course that doesn't mean you will stop lone or small groups whether they are citizens or not. The Boston bombing should have been stopped though we had info that they were radicals. That was a case of people screwing up the procedures that were in place. McVeigh also bombed Americans and killed a lot more same with the Unibomber. The Anthrax attacks weren't due to Moslems either were they? We need to develop accurate indicators of such individuals neither their religion nor what part of the world they come from is such. Furthermore people who understand them can be of great help in developing said indicators and growing up in the religion and/or location can be a good basis for such understanding. Look at how hard the military was looking for people that spoke Arabic for instance. And again note that more Moslem Americans have died while serving over seas in the US military in the last 10 years than have committed terrorist acts here. Far more have served and I suspect played very important roles. Your suggestions play into Daesh and Al Quada propaganda while depriving us of very useful tools in exchange for a very limited improvement in security.

 

so because we have American terrorists here we should let foreign terrorists come on over also?? that justifies the Muslim terrorists? that negates the thousands kiiled my Muslims terrorists? we have American terrorists, so let them come over and blow up a city???
the Unibomber is totally different ....remember the key word is 'dozens'...you will always have single/couple maniacs like Unibomber and Mcveigh....every country has them......and the Unibomber did not kill indiscriminately like the terrorists do....that is a bad analogy....not even close...he chose his targets.......he's a murderer, not a terrorist.....
I knew some1 would bring up murderers, not terrorists.....and why import killers?? we have enough here, don't we?

 

please count the number of times Americans have gone to a foreign country and murdered a bunch of innocent people [ I can't even think of one ] few and far between........then count the number of 'Muslims', Arabs, whatever, that have done same [ thousands? once a month? ]......the numbers will clearly illustrate the difference in cultures........please, let's not do the military crap

 

We should invite all the Jihadi leaders to a big banquet and just talk about our differences, over a huge glazed ham with pineapple rings and those Maraschino cherries and some good red wine.

 

Every time America goes to war it kills a bunch of innocent people Bronk...that's part of the problem...

 

Every time everybody goes to war it kills a bunch of innocent people. That's a truism of war. The damned civilians won't leave for extended vacations while the issue gets settled.

 

completely agree Kodiak...I singled America out because Bronk asked to count the number of times America has gone to a foreign country and murdered innocent people...I wouldn't say that they were murdered but I can see and understand the people of that country thinking that...

 

Sorry must do better. I have sent all members a quick email to ensure they know to speak up against terrorism so we do not know they are terrorists.

hawk, on 30 Mar 2016 - 11:14 PM, said:


Are you related to LJad? You both pull things out of nothing.



And there was me thinking you were the same person with a twin account. You are the one with the stats - use them.

Took a couple of days out to live a little and on return find both of you have not moved on. No surprise really a one trick pony usually only has one trick. However they can deliver on it where neither of you for all your bluster can. Never in the history of WW2F have I read such rubbish as you 2 are putting down on here.

 

I have used stats and you are calling me a one trick pony? Too funny.

 

You have quoted stats but to say you have used them to make any rational point really is a stretch.

 

I love the idea for a big "Banquet" for the Jihadists by KodiakBeer I'm thinking that maybe they just need a hug..