Bowe Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

I'm banned from AHF...I said I was never posting again, because they would not let you discuss the most popular subjects!

 

yes, that does sound familiar...what happened to them?

 

It was about a platoon sized unit led by a SMAG (sergeant major). They all disappeared before being committed to front line action.

 

o, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of turn-overs was more than you think...food/sleep/PEACE of mind/etc are powerful bait

 

what??disappeared?? what does that mean?

 

Here's the story for you then.



US volunteers in the Waffen-SS




Published: 26 January 2011

Last Updated: 22 July 2012

There were some US citizens who were members of the Waffen-SS, but no unit made up of American volunteers was ever raised (despite some claims about an "American Free Corps" or "George Washington Brigade"). According to figures from the SS five US citizens served in the Waffen-SS in May 1940, but after that date no numbers are available.

Second Lieutenant Martin James Monti (born 1910 in St Louis of an Italian-Swiss father and German mother) went AWOL Oct 1944, travelled from Karachi to Naples (through Cairo and Tripoli) where he stole a F-4 or F-5 photographic reconnaissance aircraft (photo recon version of the P-38) and flew to Milan. There he surrendered, or rather defected, to the Germans and worked as a propaganda broadcaster (as Martin Wiethaupt) before entering the Waffen-SS as a SS-Untersturmführer in SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers. At the end of the war he went south to Italy where he surrendered to US forces (still wearing his SS uniform) claiming that he had been given the uniform by partisans. He was charged with desertion and sentenced to 15 years hard labour. This sentence was soon commuted and Monti rejoined the US Air Corps, but in 1948 he was discharged and picked up by the FBI. He was now charged with treason and sentenced to 25 years the following year. He was paroled in 1960.

Peter Delaney (aka Pierre de la Ney du Vair), a Louisiana born SS-Haupsturmführer in SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers who is believed to have served in Légion des Volontaires Français (LVF). He met Monti and probably arranged for him to enter the Waffen-SS. Delaney was killed in 1945.

At least eight American volunteers are known to have been killed during their service.

Numerous ethnic Germans who were born in the USA served in the Wehrmacht, for example Boy Rickmers who was born in New York and won the Knight's Cross as part of 320. Infanterie-Division on 26 March 1943.

No real attempt by the US authorities to investigate the matter and trace the volunteers was made after the war, as opposed to for example the efforts by the British.


See also Fred Koenig: A SS Grenadier from Chicago USA.

 

AWOL, or whatever the Wehrmacht calls it.

 

very good reading 58..concise and to the point?? I don't see the disappearing deal? o got your last ..RT

 

I'm sure a unit like this didn't fend so well in combat, either AWOL or wiped out.

 

Read that somewhere else, years ago. Can't find it again to save my life. I think that they were called the Legion of St. George by the Germans before they ran off when they weren't looking.

 

Most returned home as ex-POWs and were hunted up later, tried, and given light prison sentences. Probably, because they didn't engage the Western Allies, and only fought against the Russians in some of the last defensive battles(during which, IIRC, some were KIA).

 

So if it is all about "politics"......what happens to the concept of getting our own back as the president's actions were performed before knowing the results of a "trial" ......then the question becomes when do we decide and how do we decide to get our own back when we can? It is so easy to criticize and justify it in the name of "politics"......what are you trying to decide about the next case that may and probably will occur?

 

For what it is worth, the Army, based on the evidence at hand, figured he had deserted as early as 2009.

Now, if the US government had just gotten him back, and left it at that, there probably would not be as big a brew-ha-ha about it. However, Obama, or more likely his "handlers" mistakenly believed that they could generate some "political capital" by making a big production out of the whole thing.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122377




It is so easy to criticize and justify it in the name of "politics" because the "politicians" make it that easy...Makes you wish that some were thinking a little further ahead than the next "photo op" or Gallup Poll.

Thus, we are left with the many claims that the White House is "stone walling" on the issue of charging Bergdahl with desertion.

And now the Army Time is reporting that the O'Reilly report is false, and nothing has been decided, further, Bergdahl has not yet been issued any charge sheet.
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/01/27/bergdahl-army-update-false-reports/22396367/

 

There were probably other prisoners that deserved to be exchanged for instead, weren't there? The bad guys that were released were some of the worst of the bad, like the ones getting out of Gitmo now. That's just mind blowing in its lunacy imho. How many will now be killed by the mopes now that they are back on the street. Sad days.

These guys, parolees, don't reform they lead battalions of IS murderers in Anbar or Rojava. Or take out Charlie Hedbo, that is even more sad.

I remember the tweets and blog posts from guys in Bergdahl's unit hinting at desertion. Remember thinking we couldn't be that frigging stupid? If the Army pushes this issue, Obama is going to wreck some more fine military careers, too many, more than the ones he already has.

And to Skipper, "Je Suis Charlie et Paris".

 

yes, that rings a loud bell...

 

sounds logical...thanks for input....and, on the other points<>wouldn't there have been an investigation at the time of his 'disappearance''?? as Takao states, evidence showed desertion...that's what his buddies say...they would be the ones to know the details/etc

 

Just to put the Bergdahl desertion in context:

CNN: Fellow Soldiers Call Bowe Bergdahl a Deserter, Not a Hero

 

where there is smoke,....

 

looks like the Army's charged him for desertion yesterday. This charge can carry a potential life sentence
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/us/army-bowe-bergdahl-desertion-charges.html?_r=0

 

I think it would be pretty easy to tell if he did desert his post.....was he not on guard with rounds chambered?? if so, why didn't he fire if attacked??..was he sleeping on duty? etc