Brit soldier killed. Looks like execution

Don't insult sheep...they protect their own..Mr.Fox doesn't know what hits him come lambing time.

To give the watchers if you like..some understanding...They most probably thought this was a gang related attack...

Would a normal New York citizen do anything if 2 guys knifed a guy in the bronx...And you were a bronx local...as most of those standing there were.

They were not to know the victim was a soldier.or even a law abiding citizen..and these two lowlifes played on that.

.Hopefully this will now serve as a conduit.

There are still those that will always intervene...But the camera phone seems to be the norm the world over now. You can reach for it..call police...and then stand back and film..Without any thought...It stinks I know..and in general I agree with you KB..but in this instance it seems to most that this could have just been a gang fight.

 

I don't think reactions in the US would have been any different. Beck goes on to talk about the passengers on Flt 93 and the famous "Let's roll!" uttered by Todd Beamer before they brought the plane down.

Even in that case, it was their lives on the line. I don't think you would have seen the same action if the violence was taking place on the street.

He does point out a truth though. Whether in the US or UK, we have been slowly conditioned to "let the authorities handle it."

 

It was also an 'odd' situation as far as I can make out (And much is still speculation).

'Have a go' activity perhaps requires some sort of heat-of-the-moment to trigger it, and yet these tossers seem to have created an oddly calm situation after the event.
They were standing around asking people to call the Police, not overtly threatening or being violent to anyone after their initial foul deed. (Apparently wanting a scene with officials when they arrived).
The remarkable Mrs Loyau-Kennett and two other women were calmly talking to them, and overt threat appeared to have passed. Police were arriving on-scene and armed Police were on their way.

Criticising anyone who was there for their reaction to such a bizarre situation is most odd to my eye - ain't hindsight wonderful, particularly from Mr Beck's position a few thousand miles away.

And as the Mirror video shows:
The authorities.
Handled it.

 

Yes, the authorities handled it... eventually.

Still, you can't tell me you wouldn't have been far more satisfied if some passerby had pulled out a cricket bat and beat both of these men into piles of broken bones contained inside leaky skin bags.

 

Obviously that'd be most satisfying viewing, but one does try to appreciate the world as it actually is rather than how one might hope it'd be.

And I can keep watching the Mirror film, taken 14 minutes after the event (impressive response time through London traffic) for at least a touch of satisfaction; if no real consolation for the fact the twats acted in the first place.
I do hope a few bullet wounds each is still stinging a tad.

 

I agree totally with your last sentence KB...it happened slowly...But It seems to be the case.

 

Glenn Beck ? Does anybody take that guy seriously ? 1940 ? War ? I forgot that he uses more swastikas than History Channel in his show. I wonder how he would handle that situation. I am sure he would be very brave while tackling a pair of bloody handed machette wielding nutters. People in crime scene did the right thing. Record whole thing. Let police and authorities handle whole matter before anybody else got hurt. And let trained law enforcement officers got them neutrilize and send those two murderers (they are that nothing more) behind bars where they belong. This is what responsible people in a civilized society do. Unlike those two who decided to leave that society.

 

Beck is a self-promoting blow-hard. He just flew to Oklahoma to have himself filmed looking thoughtful at all the wreckage, which reminded me of his left-wing doppelganger Sean Penn, having himself filmed in the aftermath of Katrina.

Yet, he does make a point. It is not uncivilized for citizens to apprehend or even kill criminals depending on the situation. This was very common in all our societies until very recently.

 

Got a reply to that email I sent. Surprise surprise, they just repeated the same drivel from their original link.

 

GB was brought up previously, will just carry on with that thought....GB wants to be Alex Jones sooo bad....The video has some fairly funny clips. Watch the 8:20 point where he starts crying...GB is a broken record, and for him to comment on what's going on yonder, makes about as much sense as Piers Morgan sticking his nose in here regarding gun issue.
http://gothamist.com/2011/06/30/glenn_beck_attacker_speaks.php

Have since heard the attacker with blood on his hands, was abused in Kenya by security forces..Maybe that tripped him. Why he was in Kenya, is another question .

 

Fusilier Lee Rigby who was murdered on Wednesday in Woolwich, London, was part of the RRF RHQ Staff who supported the talks that I organise for The Battlefields Trust at the Fusiliers Museum. I knew him as a barman in the Fusiliers Mess. As the news report have described, he was a cheerful, helpful, professional soldier who leaves a family and friends.

The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers have set up a fund in his memory. Please donate generously https://www.justgiving.com/LeeRigby

 

My employer has an injured employee from the Boston bombing. Contributions can be made to that charity as well...Sadly, we are united by the recent tragedies.

 

Poppy they are not tragedies....I never thought I'd hear myself saying this...but its war...As much as any that went before. And I for one mean to move from the cynical sidelines I have inhabited for far too long..too long against my personal morals and compass...And help in any way I can to defeat the enemy we have living amongst us.

 

You seemed a moderate before. ..Suppose it's time now to ask for a little tough love. We must crack down and order our governments to review immigration policy.

This story is not about the guys who murder. It's about the guy's who inflame them...Some countries have banned the construction of mosques. Why?

 

They have certainly declared war. Whether our wavering governments can ever agree that it's a war is a very different thing.

 

Is there any way or any means I can send condolance letter or means to donate if there is any charity for Lee Rigby's family ?

As for war thing. I disagree. Wars happen between states with formal declaration , severance of any relaitionship or ties whether it is diplomatic , commercial , cultural then armed conflict starts. What happened in London was a crime. No a last link in a chain of crimes. Perps were criminals not representing any state or country but an ultra marginal radical version of a religious ideology. I think they would love to be seen instruments of a state a Sharia state living in their dreamland. The fact is they are a pair of bloody murderers nothing more. They should be dealt as common criminals and processed according to law just like their predecessors. Evaluating this as war war would be giving them credit they do not deserve. They were not combatants in any sense.

 

One of the advantages to a "war" is that you can lock them up as enemy combatants for the duration of that war. And it is they that have declared war - jihad. So, any association with Al Qaeda (or any other group they claim) allows you to lock them up until a formal peace is signed. That will never happen, so anyone associated with such a group could be locked up for life.

If they don't claim allegiance to any particular Jihadi group, then by all means treat them as criminals.

 

Any group who kills on a whim to terrorise a populous is indeed making a decleration of war...we were at war with the IRA for many years...no one objected to the term then...not even the IRA who constantly told us they were at war with us...This latest bunch are no different except unlike the IRA they don't mind suicide missions...It is a war...they are covered under the Geneva convention...you do not have to wear a uniform to be covered in such a way or such a war...Malaya...Dhofar..Algeria....they were all wars...Not of a state backing..But wars and subject to the convention just as these low lifes are even if they do not deserve to be so..It is war...both in the technical sense and the moral sense.These two were not just murderers...they murdered for their cause not for theft or criminal reasons...They unfortunately are covered by the Geneva convention as some daft lawyer will now step forward to state and claim his fee from us the people they wish to terrorise and in some cases kill.

 

It is that Geneva convention that allows you to lock them up until they die of old age. If they get a civil trial, they'll be out in what, ten years?