Bush and Hitler?

Gunter you are mixing so much up here.

First. The Final Solution refers to the plans to exterminate all of Europes Jews at the Death Camps. That other people were caught up in this too (Such as the Polish PoWs murdered to test the Auschwitz gas chambers) doesn't change the fact that the Final Solution was a documented decision as the result of a meeting of top Nazis and SS men at the Wansee conference.

The Death Camps and Concentration Camps are two separate and distinct things. The purpose of the Concentration Camps were not to kill people, they were very tough prisons. Prisons you could be sent to for a variety of reasons and without trial through the emergency legislation Hitler abused on his way into power, and it's equally true that your chances of survival were not good, but you did have a chance of surviving your stay there. The Concentration Camps were not used for the final solution.

Death Camps on the other hand were set up to kill. People were sent there to die, those fit enough to work would work until too weak, those not deemed fit enough would be killed almost straight away.

AFAIK no-one has been executed at Guantanamo bay. Try going to the sites of the concentration camps and actually seeing the mass graves. There's nothing like that at Guantanamo bay.

Whilst the legality of those imprisoned at Guantanamo bay may be in question, for it to be realistically comparable to the Nazi concentration camps Bush would have had to those who voted against his policies in Congress or Senate arrested and sent there too.

Yes you can make the comparisson between Nazi Germany and modern day USA, but just don't expect anyone to take it too seriously because the parallels you are attempting to draw are just wrong.

 

its always astounding to me when otherwise seemingly intelegent people want to compare the us army,or the british army in belfast or the israelies in gaza...to the nazis...simply amazing leaps of logic...sure its true sometimes we kill civillians
in spite of all our rules of engagments ...the difference is we dont do it on purpose[you have wonder where these people gather their information...do they have special librarys or websites.,is it their diet.or mabey its what they stuff in their little glass pipes to smoke?

 

Where I come from they dont make a distinguishment between concentration camps and death camps, both re generalized as concentration camps. Have you read the novella "Night" by Elli Wiesel, evan eh refers to them as concentraion camps, althought I read the onlder version and in the neewly revised version something have changed like his age.

Majorwoody I am using this as a learning experiece for a debate in my history class, sure not the same topic but the same principle of defending the point you have stated no matter how far-fetched.

 

Majorwoody, this is irrelevant and insulting. Attack the argument, not the person behind it.

Gunter, there is a very distinct difference between death camps and concentration camps, one which Simon has pointed out. Death camps were deliberately set up to be factories of death, to be able to "process" in some cases as many as six thousand human beings a day. If you think Guantanamo Bay is comparable to this, then I would like to see what you base that on. As far as I know (as stated by the American ambassador in the Netherlands, I do not know if this is true) the inmates of Guantanamo have access to doctors and even attorneys if requested; they are not required to perform forced labour and are given enough food to survive.

 

Right so we'll comprae to early concentration camps from the 30s.

At Guantanemo I was told that the inmates are forced to hold certain stress positions. One example of this is you lay down on your back on a cement floor. You have to hold your legs and heav above the ground. The use of stress positions I belive is banned by the UN, considered a form of torture, and there are almost no visible effects.

 

And because of that, Bush equals Hitler? Britain tortured people with worse methods post-WW2. I don't see them being compared to Hitler. Guantanamo does NOT make Bush into Hitler.

 

Has he purged the ranks of the neoconservatives yet?

The Night of the Long Lawsuits?

 

I doubt that when Guantanamo is closed down that there will be hundreds of rotting bodies bulldozed into mass graves as were in 44/45! Please don't tell me it never happened and was just propaganda, it happened and was done by the Germans and the majority did know about it!
As the Munich poem went, (pardon spelling)
"Lieber Gott,
Machen Mir stumm,
Das Ich nicht nach Dachau komme"

 

He has not banned other parties yet... or made death camps for Mexicans...

 

As a rough translation:

"Dear God,
Keep me quiet
That I never go to Dachau" ?

 

The word Torture as a whole gets abused these days to mean any instance where an individual is in any form of physical discomfort. If stress positions and similar discomfort really are torture then I have been repeatedly tortured in my life :roll: . That is of course a nonsense. You cannot compare that with the sort of destructive torture carried out by the likes of the Gestapo or the behaviour of the SS guards of the death camps with Guantanamo bay.

I'd like to echo Merlin's view. Where are the mass graves of 1,000s of unnamed souls? Where is the imprisonment of anyone who expressed any dissent? Do you seriously think any kind of protest group would have been tolerated by Nazi Germany? Read about the White Rose Movement and the fate of Hans and Sophie Scholl, now find a comparison in modern USA. Can you point to a single proclamation from the US government that Iraqi's are subhuman?

Bush is not Hitler, not even close. Modern day USA is not Nazi Germany and is equally not even remotely close.

 

I would love to see Bush and the Bush administraition be blow to bits .Our economy is F'ed .I mean what will happen when China takes our jobs then what .The Middle East can shut down our oil supply .Walmart is the worst and If I had a RPG I would find the nearest walmart and Blow it up . those are problems caused By Clinton and Bush . The only job that is safe from the Chinese is the military . Hitler could run america better than Bush is right now .O and Plus we might go to war with Iran pretty soon if they dont give up ther nuclear testing . Welcome to America everyone

 

"Dear god, make me mute, so that I will not come to Dachau."

Baron: even though there are obviously a lot of problems in present-day America, there are always problems in just about every country on earth and this does not make them equal to Nazi Germany. If you think these problems are any kind of justification for blowing up random stores or bringing fascists to power I would like to see you present a better argument, or else I shall be very worried about the future of Western democracy.

China is taking over your jobs and there is absolutely nothing Bush or Clinton could have done about that, and in fact there is nothing any Western government will ever be able to do about it because the people will not allow it. Being competitive with China would involve lowering wages by about 80%.

 

its just what walmart is doing to economy and what walmart does to there people which is bad .I said Hitler would probally be a betetr leader I didnt say that I want him to be in power .Come to america some time and you'll see what I mean Or watch the Daily show or the News or something

 

Hitler nearly bankrupted his country, started a world war and began a genocide. Why do you think he was a better leader?

 

Close enough...

 

thats pretty much all bush exept genocide

 

Iraq is a world war?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

...and that comment by Baron trivialises the industrialised mass-murder of around 6,000,000 people. Bush's political policies do not hinge on the struggle for supremacy between ethnic groupings.

 

Actually it wouldnt be a bad idea if we put Saddam back in power and say"sorry we thought you had weapons of mass destruction" . I said Exept Genocide .I live in America I know what it is like ok great . I stay up every night thinking about the future of Americans and what are we gonna do if our economy continues down this path .