Change one single event of the War...

WWII ever starting! then again if there was no world war 2 i wouldnt have found this enjoyable intresting site!

 

This has been discussed at length here (and on many other boards). The answer is always the same: It would have had no significant impact on the war. Read for yourself.

http://www.ww2f.com/what-if/20325-what-if-me-262-created-earlier.html

 

Exactly It always amazes me that some think that the introduction of one weapon would have that much effect on the war. The only one that would have and did would have been the Atom bomb.

 

1937 Stalin is 'Purged' along with the NKVD. The RKKA Marshalls do not actually take over but ensure no one remaining party man can make himself a dictator, thus heading the Communist Party towards a the sort of democracy the Soviet constitution outlined.

1938-1939 ...that leads to the USSR forming a alliance with France, despite the British leaders fears and reluctance, and when the moment comes a Soviet declaration of war in conjuction with the French.

 

one thing just one thing? ok, Hitler calls off operation Barbarossa.

 

K I L L H I T L E R

 

Trotsky being in front of the Soviets instead of Stalin.



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In fact, the Bismarck was hit with a one in a million shot that permanently disabled it's rudder, but...

What if that shot had missed and the Bismarck made it to Brest to join up with Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen?

May 1941-Bismarck makes it to Brest.

August 1941-just as repairs are completing, British heavy bombers hit the port. The ships are damaged and need further repairs.

December 1941-As America enters the war, the battle force leaves Brest and wreaks havoc on the convoy system. American press forces Washington to commit substantial naval forces, setting up a gigantic, multiple nation, sea battle.

 

I'd seriously take the Holocaust out of World War II. I've been reading 'The Apparatus of Death' and it is so hard to imagine their are people who would do these horrible monstrous things to people who hadnt done a thing to deserve it. Men, women, children, they cared not and it disgusts me.

Bill

 

In a story that twenty five years later beame a movie, writer Chris Claremont wrote:"Were it not for the depths of grief, we wouldn't know the heights of joy and happiness."

Because of what the nazis did 60-70 years ago, we know that there is absolute evil in this world. We know that there are inherent dangers in isolationism. Prior to WW2, most people in the U.S. were deadset against getting involved in yet another european conflict. They felt that the blood of too many young American boys had been shed, and enough was enough. But, as Americans learned that their reluctance to get involved may have cost the lives of millions of innocent people, there was guilt that backed up the need for a prolonged occupation of both Japan and Germany. There was no question about whether or not we should be there. Here, 63 years later, we are still there.

Because history is so very poorly taught in this country, most people don't understand the need for a prolonged US presence in Iraq-where genocide also occured.

 

Calais is OVERLORD: Just as Hitler anticipated; Calais is being attacked by the main Allied force with a much smaller force is attempting a distraction in Normandy. The Allies send a lager amount of Boats to Calais in hope of overrunning the (hopefully) Infantry divisions while the Panzers high tail it for Normandy but that is not so. But weather comes in too effect and the recon flights dont get a good look at the volume of Panzers present and the Paratroops run into heavy Flak fire from the city and the region and the jumps are largely unsuccesfull. The Naval Bombardment is of some success but as the Super-Fleet is in a smaller area (By that I mean a Closer area to the Continent) U-Boats can cause a significant amount of Casualties on Supply ships and Attack ships. The Luftwaffe in France can attack attack the Ships that leave the Herd to find the U-Boats and the Allies can be in Dissaray. Meanwhile the landings are going on while Panzers have a chance at shooting some Landing craft while for sure they destroy a large amount of the Allied soldiers. The Allies, believing that they can crack open Calais( Regarding Weather playing a factor with watching the battle) send more waves while only; unknown to them, The beaches become heavily littered with Bodies. In frustration the Allies pull back to England somewhat tattered and Very badly weakened in morale. Allied soldiers in Normandy are Captured and Killed with the battlegroup from there retreating.

END RESULT: Allied morale has dropped low and it will be quite awhile until they can build up again. German morale increases and Hitler and his staff Boast around Europe the superiority of Germans. The Holocaust is continuing until possibly all Jews in Europe are gone. The Soviets dont have their "Second front" and the War drags on for months or even Years. The Me-262 production is moderated resulting in enough fuel for the planes to be flown which would lead too more Allied Bombers to be shot down and the German Industry can recover somewhat. The War will continue for an unknown amount of time.




Casualties: Allies 200-300 ships,400 aircraft downed, 250 DDs destroyed, 10,000 dead 5,000 missing or captured.
Axis: 70 U-Boats sunk, 200 aircraft downed, 50 Tanks destroyed and 4000 dead.

Feel free to question my theory or Post your own version.

-Totenkopf

 

Lias Co Pilot:

Honestly I believe that since we are there we will get the job done.(In Iraq) If it was the UN I'd be really worried(Please read: Shake Hands with the Devil, by Lt. General Romeo Dallaire) It's an awful, awful event to take place. If the holocaust or any other form of genocide doesnt make your blood boil, what will.


Bill

 

My top complaint is man's inhumanity to man. I came of age in the 70's, and was a young adult in the 80's. I remember seeing that many of the movies I liked had nudity in them, but suddenly, the public became squeamish about nudity, and thirsted for entertainment that had blood, torture, and gore.

In recent days, I've read of teens doing atrocious acts, like microwaving a cat, or dismembering a woman so that her daughter and her boyfriend wouldn't have to live by rules. I fear that too many have been influenced by a violence soaked media, which in turns coarsens society, and creates people desensitized to violence....and it's after affects.

It's the after affects that people don't consider, or think about. I was horrifically abused as a child, then I joined the Marine Corps and went into spec ops. Needless to say, I have PTSD. I've had nearly a decade of counseling and therapy, but parts of it will never ever go away.

I am easily startled and I nearly decked a janitor who snuck into my office the other night. Lia knows to wake me a certain way, and she gives me space when I need it. She doesn't take it personally and she doesn't push me. Now that guys are coming back from Iraq going through the same crap I went through, I sympathize and wish them a quick recovery. I know that violence soaked entertainment doesn't help them. A graphic violence scene in a movie will cost me at least two weeks of nightmares. I wish people weren't so selfish and consider that others are going to have serious trouble with what they consider entertainment.

 

YouTube - Hitler's Downfall on Robot Chicken

 

I know exactly what you are talking about; my childhood wasn’t much like paradise either. The media always has been and always will be a business organization whose goal is to make money by any means necessary. I personally consider reading a book to be infinitely better than watching TV.

 

Not true, there have been a few threads that had the Germans with the atomic bomb first and in the end more than a few folk said even if the Germans had atomics and deployed them over London/Birmingham & Manchester and other key locations such as New York, Washington DC and Moscow and effectively wiped out their govenments it would not alter the war the Allies would still win, not only could the allies recover but launch counter attacks with their own atomics when they become available. But had the shoe been on the other foot and that the allies had dropped an atomic on Berlin then German capitulation.

So having the A-Bomb is not a war winner if you happen to be German.

v.R

 

Actually, it could be. If they used it for instance where the allies had the Reserves built up it would be the end of it.
Also, even if they bombed cities, the allies would be forced to return simply due to the sheer weight of public opinion and their soldiers wishing to know about their relatives and such. It would also dry the allies ability to replace losses. Not to mention if used in industrial districts it could bring allied production of aircraft, tanks, trucks, weapons, ammunition, etc to a halt.



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Change one event?

Stalin continued the expansion of the Navy. The Soviet Union class looked promising!

 

Can somebody Please tell me what they think of this?

 

Hello, Im new to forum Im Japanese student, if i could change one single event in ww2 I would not attack America Pearl Harbor but attack other European colonies instead for the resources. I don't think American people would support war with Japan if Japan was in war with England, France and Dutch. Also, Germany would not make mistake to declare war with America since Japan not at war with America.