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Cost of WW2 weapons

Discussion in 'Other Weapons' started by Wolfy, Mar 1, 2009.

  1. eaglestar78

    eaglestar78 New Member

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    Does anyone have man hours on the production of these weapons?
     
  2. eaglestar78

    eaglestar78 New Member

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    Madsen LMG $37,000 USD 2012 for a regestered weapon.
    $1800 world arms market price
    see machinegunpriceguide.com
     
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    M-1 Garand $70 USD 1942, $31 USD 1945
    M-2 BMG $1560 USD 1945
    M-2 4.2" Mortar $834 USD 1945
    M1919A4 $579 USD 1945
    M1918A2 BAR $319 USD 1945
    Mk II Sten $10 USD 1942
    Mk 2 Hand grenade $1 USD 1942

    P-51 $50,985 USD 1945
    B-17 $240,000 USD 1945
    B-24 $296,000 USD 1945
    B-29 $750,000 USD 1945
    Norden and Sperry bombsights $15,000 USD 1942
    US Balao Class sub $2,750,000 USD 1945
    Mk 13/14/15 Torpedo $10,000 USD 1940

    V-1 $600 USD / RM 1500 1945
    V-2 $40,000 USD / RM 100,000 1944, $20,000 USD / RM 50,000 1945

    Atomic bomb $30,000 USD


     
  4. lwd

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    An interesting counter point to:
    According to:
    http://aupress.au.af.mil/digital/pdf/book/b_0006_werrell_evolution_cruise_missile.pdf
    page 69 a JB-2 costs the US about $8,620 since it was almost identical to a V-1 something seems a bit fishy here.
    On page 76 the cost is listed as $8,080 (less warhead) and 1,047 man hours.
    ??? I'd like to know where this came from and how it was calculated. It seams awfully low.

    Given the differences between the MK 13, MK 14, and MK 15 torpedoes I find it odd that they all are set to one prices as well.
     
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    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member Patron  

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    M-1 carbine $45
     
  7. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WWII Veteran

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    When I saw the title of this thread I remembered a previous comment I had made on the cost of tanks and found it here:

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    Full thread here:
    http://www.ww2talk.c...eapon-cost.html
     
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    Holy crap that's a lot of $$. 180k is a lot now that must have been a LOT of money then!!!!!!
     
  9. Poppy

    Poppy grasshopper

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    Nice one RG. Think it is a good idea to attach accountability to the expensive pieces issued. Otherwise the kit may be neglected/ abused/stolen...But would they hold someone accountable for damaged equipment- other than a brow beating? It was war after all.
     
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    As stated before...these numbers musn't be compared...a gun could cost you NIL if its slave labour (plus materials - which themselves differ in prices depending on the market and location...and if there is a war on!)
    Labour costs were highest in the US so it makes sense that everything from there costs more...they still have the same problem : )
     
  11. lwd

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    Were US labor costs really hgher than British? It may depend a lot on how you calculate them though.
     
  12. Tomas129cz

    Tomas129cz New Member

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    Hello!

    Guys, i am making new strategic game and i want do it like as war simulator.

    Costs of units will be in real price. I am from club of army history and i know many kind of units. In my game will be planes, tanks, guns and infantry. Now i am finding informantions about cost of units and i have so big problems with that :-(

    I found there some prices and really thank you for that! But i want ask you, please: Is possible to find cost of these units?

    Tanks: Germany: Jagdtiger, Hummel, SdKfz 234 Puma, Jagdpanther

    Soviets: T-60, SU-76 M, SU-85(mb 201.000), KV-1 (mb 295.000 rubles), KV-2, IS-1, SU-100, ISU-152, IS-2 (mb 264.400 rubles)

    USA: M40 Long Tom

    Other: M3A1 Half-track, M8 Greyhound, M16-AA (mb 35.000 dollars?), 37mm AT-Gun, 57mm AT-Gun, 76,2mm M5.

    M3A1 for SSSR, BA-20, Zis-42-61K (AA), 53-K vz.37 (mb 10.000 rubles), ZIS 2, ZIS 3, BS-3

    I will be verry happy for every help! :)

    Tomas
     
  13. Thoddy

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    Currency Conversion Rates.

    1 USD = 2.5 German mark.

    Bismarck costs 196 Mio Reichsmark -> 78.4 Mio USD
    for comparison BB 61 Iowa cost 125 Mio USD
     
  14. TiredOldSoldier

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    Good chance with your undertaking, I've been attempting something like it on and off or over 30 years now but the inflation, "official" and "real" exchange rates, cost streamlining dynamics and other "phenomenons" like the decreasing quality of German armour and quality control late war so that a 1945 Panther or K98k is quire different from an early production one, have made me give up as I realized I was comparing apples and oranges.
    Adding more and more variables to the model, for which I might be able to find historical data for possibly 30% of the weapons, was going nowhere.
    So I just stopped maintaining the "cost" column in my weapons database and now I'm just using the equipment's weight multiplied by a "weapon class" factor and a "sophistication factor" and it gives reasonable results.

    You would at least need to have different costs for the same weapon for each year to take into account production streamlining, for mass produced weapons unit costs tended to drop dramatically.
     
  15. lwd

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    You might want to put in an "efficiency" factor as well. One problem the Axis powers had was their lack of access to certain resources. Aluminum for instance is very power intensive to produce yet fuel in general was a constrained resource in the Axis nations especially once the war started. Thus a ton of Aluminum would be considerably more valuable in Germany than in the US.
     
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    Here is something I have been pondering ever since I discovered that a B-24 cost ~$300,000 in 1945 dollars, and 12000 saw service with the USAAF (according to Wikipedia).

    That's $3.6 billion dollars and we haven't even factored in operating costs yet.

    I always see the total cost of WW2 for the USA quoted as $341 billion, but that seems incredibly low if just the production costs of a single weapon system (the B-24) accounts for 1% of that. Sure, the B-24 is a relatively expensive example, but how many different aeroplanes, ships, tanks and guns were also produced in large numbers, and that before we even start to factor in the cost of shipping it all around the world, fuel, ammunition, and the cost of paying all the soldiers and staff.

    Does anyone have any insight into how the $341B was calculated?
     
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    von Poop Waspish WW2|ORG Editor

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    Welcome aboard - I like your question.

    That Liberator price from Wiki seems a tad high for a start:

    That's from 'The Arsenal of Democracy'
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SZ2UAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=The+Arsenal+of+Democracy+by+A.+J.+Baime+...+The+cost+to+make+each+Liberator+dropped+from+$238,000+per+ship+at+the+beginning+of+production+to+$137,000&source=bl&ots=sN0Pq-gYFt&sig=PQBesKh0TfXW1nHS94vquR3CikU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK4cDB59vPAhVDbBoKHVGUAa4Q6AEIIDAB#v=onepage&q=The%20Arsenal%20of%20Democracy%20by%20A.%20J.%20Baime%20...%20The%20cost%20to%20make%20each%20Liberator%20dropped%20from%20%24238%2C000%20per%20ship%20at%20the%20beginning%20of%20production%20to%20%24137%2C000&f=false

    (Wiki price was taken from Pacific Wrecks: http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-24/tech.html uncited)

    So the $3.6Bn for B24s is looking a little sketchy, even before you take off Commonwealth and other countries' purchases from the total.

    As to that $341bn - no idea. Now interested.
     
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    Interesting. I've seen numbers ranging from $288b to $341b for the US. That doesn't account for costs incurred by the other Allies. I'll have to look further.

    Found this cost: B-24 $215,516
    http://www.usshancockcv19.com/history6.htm
     

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