Desert Rat Graves Desecrated

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If they were "nationalists" we could just leave and they would go back to being happy...BUT...they are idealogs. The ideaology is that Islam become the dominant religion, they take over the world...thats what "they" (extremist Muslims) want! Really! So there is NO arguement that will stymie them, no compromise to reach, no deal struck...we fight or die. Until we see the extremist as terroroists and not religious people we will continue to fall victim to them. If Islam was a drug, we'd ban it, a person, we'd jail it, an animal, we'd put it down...but its a religion...so we "have" to be tolerant. BS! YOUR country is what you make it and what YOU want it to be...outlaw the bloody religion, outlaw those who practice it...They intellectual arguements against this are now irrelevant, due to the cost already being too high.
Anybody tell me whats the worst that can happen from banning the religion as an organisation of hate and intolerance?

 

More entering Army with criminal records - The Boston Globe

New rules for recruits with criminal records? - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy Times

And an episode of 60 minutes I watched concerning gang bangers entering the Army and the USMC to become better gangsters when they got out.

 

Problem there is there are a lot more muslims than there christians, what you would be doing is turning a billion and more peoiple into enemies (including one marginally nuclear capable power and minorities in many western countries). We DO NOT want to start a religious war, that's exactly what the extremists want. What WE need to do is separate the terrorists from the bulk ol the population that probaly just want to get on with their lives and, as moslem have done through most of history. Islam can coexist with the west without excessive trouble ulless the extremists get the upper hand, while Islam is a proselytizing relition so is Christianity, barring some unavoury episodes we usually have refrained from "convesion by the sword" and so did they.

That "mission" is easy to state but VERY hard to accomplish, and probably impossible to do so without taking significant losses, a firepower based strategy is not going to do the trick, you need "control" not "denial".
One BIG problem is there still is insufficient agreement about it, way too many loud mouths with a different agenda like "exporting democracy", eradicating opium, or even religious war like some christian extremist nutcases, those people can be VERY damaging to the war effort unless promptly ridiculized as they deserve, we should show Islam that the best way to fight extremist is to treat them as the nutcases they are. The "war on terror" slogan was a terrible idea, we should concentrate on making "war on terrorists", not use a terminology that will create a mindset likely to expand the conflict.

In that perspective the recent episodes are big setbacks as they provided signifcant "propaganda anmno" to the enemy IMHO the people responsible should be treated just like any military would treat people responsible for a defeat.

I suggest you read Alistair Horne's a savage war of peace, the French in Algeria had a lot more going for them than NATO has in Afganistan (a large local European French minority they could rely on, shorter comunications, less laguage and cultural barrier, and still lost because instead of concentrating on the extremist, that are hard to find, they expanded the conflict putting the "moderates", which were the people the would need to deal with sooner or later, out of the picture.

The big difference is that in Algeria once they pulled out it was basically over, in the current "war", globalization and technology means that sometime the terrorists may be able to catch us unaware and get in an attack, but it's an intelligence, police and damage control problem (and BTW effort in that direction would also help against non islamist crazies, and there are plenty of those too).

 

We have always had people who wish to re-fight the "Crusades" thinking there is something righteous about that. I challenge them to study the details of the atrocities committed by both sides and the centuries that this was attempted over to become a bit better informed of what resulted from it. If you think that is a solution to "go backwards" at least you live in a place where you are free to think that, and that can be your crown of proud display for all of us to consider...... or use as a trigger for informing ourselves of the folly of the efforts, this "fruition" would bring the world. As Islam and Christianity beat each other down, perhaps the Hindu, Zoroastrian, Buddhists would be able to fill the vacuum, as I view the wisdom of such a course of getting that "payback!". Display of that attitude is sure to inspire someplace, somewhere, an attack by furious idiots against some group of innocents somewhere and you must attach that as well to your crown as that is the likely fruit of your attitude. As the power of the pen has been magnified by our use of internet to get our arguments around, I propose we speak with greater consideration for what we can cause to happen in the far corners of the world as what we say here is clearly available to all who wish to see.

 

"We DO NOT want to start a religious war, that's exactly what the extremists want."

Very true. I never met a Westerner who wanted to start a religious war.


"What WE need to do is separate the terrorists from the bulk ol the population that probaly just want to get on with their lives and, as moslem have done through most of history."

However, I see a big problem with the above. It is NOT our job to seperate the terrorists from the bulk, it is the job of all the Muslims. I garantee you that if a crazy christain group decide to kill Muslims and burn mosques, WE ALL would turn against them and help authorities find them all. That group would not stand a chance to protest, WE would not let that happen. However, that is NOT true in the Muslim world, for the most part or at least what I see. If the Muslim world wants to "truely" live in peace with the Christains, Jews, Budhist, etc., thenit has A LOT to work on. The majority of the Muslims have to stand up and fight the the extremists. It should not be our job. It is stays our job, then these "wars" will go on for ever.

 

Again, I never met or seen a Western who wanted to restart the Crusades. Many have "said" emotioned filled comments, but the key word is "said", not acted on it. However, the Muslim world is full (may be in the millions) of extremesits who have publicly stated that war is EXACTLY what they want, erease Israel, kill the West, take over the West. Besides publicly expressing such "mission statements" they already have killed thousands in the name of this war.

 

The Navy times article says that "waivers for conduct have gone up accross all branches =/- 3%". What the article doesn't say is how many of those with waivers complee recruit training and go on to the fleet.

 

There have been a couple of articles on it at:
Infantry: What To Do With The Wild Men
there are several older ones that talk to the process. Apparently they developed procedures that were pretty good at prediciting which individuals wouldn't be more of a problem than they were worth.
The latest indicate that it is no longer in effect:
Attrition: Soaring Admission Standards

 

Here we go again. This time a youtube video is out. Not sure if this is a different incident or the same one, just with video.

Protesting Libyans destroy Polish and British war graves - Thenews.pl :: News from Poland

 

I still don't get why, if they're pissed at the US, they go and desecrate Polish and British graves? Yeah, we're allies, but c'mon!

 

or shoot non Amercian Nato soldiers in a kamikaze killing like they did last month? It's not against such and such country, they are aiming our very way of life, the existence of our democratic western model. Whether you are American, polish, English , French or Australian does not matter, anyone who is not like them is targetted.

This being said there is already a thread about this matter opened by the historian in the stump. Therefore I am merging them together.

 

And to think they have been in those cemeteries under Ghadaffi since the war with regular visits by families under the CWG visits freely and welcomed by the locals.

And now...Didn't we do well.