Diesel-electric subs.

And I have no doubt that all those things actually occurred. In training scenarios such things happen all the time. It's why training is conducted. To train crews and to keep them sharp. What I doubt is the belief by some in the totally one sided nature of the contest. No mention is made of how many times the Collins class boats were tracked or "sunk". Because that doesn't make for exciting David slays Goliath stories.

Good example of my earlier point. You have no evidence to suggest that Collins class boats "usually come out ahead" do you? How many times did they "lose"?


PS- lest you think that gf-012-aust opinions were unknown to me and and you revelation was a "gotcha" I have read most everything he has written on that site and also on the strategy page site and I'm well aware of his bias towards the Aussie Collins class boats and I think it is only natural given the circumstances.
We all have our biases and considering his profession and who he works for and with it is understandable. I quoted him because he is undoubtably knowledgeable about submarine issues. He is a civilian though and gets his information second hand like everyone else as to what happens at sea in training scenarios.

 

Mmmmm, this is a slightly strange post.

For starters, I could hardly think gf-012-aust opinions were unknown to you, because you were the one who first quoted several of his posts.

As for "gotcha" well I know it's meaning vis- a- vis a Collins class crew no doubt having said that quita few times as they photographed various USN ships within torpedo range in the exercises.

But perhaps you can explain it's meaning apropos of our discussion.

And at first you quote gf-012-aust as ''undoubtably knowledgeable about submarine issues'' then finish up saying he's a biased civilian, which is a tad unfair.

Perhaps you could give me a sample of his more biased posts.

 

A better example would be when the USAF 'borrowed' a handful of Israeli Kfirs to train against.

Grieg is correct in pointing out that Armed Forces need to train against the kind of enemies that they will face, and occaisionally using different 'enemy' equipment stops you from getting too used to dealing with the performance capabilities of a single type of aggressor. Using the Kfir anaolgy again, USAF pilots were starting to simply get away from the T-38 & F-5 aggressors by speeding up, as those aircraft were not supersonic. The Kfir was, and that gave the valuable lesson that you should not rely on always having advantage X over an enemy.


Ok, back to the subs.

 

One of our diesel electric subs sunk the HMS Illustious in war games, well, would have undoubtly done so if she had decided to attack the Carrier

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=23372

 

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