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  1. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    I'm going to have to disagree with your comments. I taught History and Geography for 34 years. I can assure you that WW2 was not a "throwaway comment" in our curriculum. Of course we taught about the Greeks and the Romans. Their cultures not only lasted longer than ours has, but many of their ideas have filtered into our daily lives. WW2 had a tremendous impact on the shape of today's world, and is approached in that manner in many of the districts that I know. We don't do a lot of battle by battle coverage because a) there is not enough time in the school year and b) it doesn't contribute to any overall sense of what the impact of war is. And, I can assure you that no curriculum is developed so as not to "offend our European friends." That is just a foolish statement. If anything, our history programs are far more tilted towards a European outlook than anything else, given that most of us trace our ancestry back to Europe. In fact, there has been much criticism of our history programs as being too filled with "dead, white guys". All of that said, can schools do a better job with their history programs? Of course. But don't tar every program based on some spotty statements.
     
  2. cl0wn

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    just believe that there's a "don't mention the war" mentality ever since european union, plus with political correctness nowadays.
     
  3. Kruska

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    Hello cl0wn,

    In a way, I guess you are right about this.

    Reason being that besides Britain every other European country who was involved into WW2 has its bad memories. Wrongdoings were done by all sides before, during and after the war - the main culprit being Nazi Germany followed closely by Russia.

    Britain or British see their role during WW2 as having contributed to the end of Nazi Terror. There wasn't much wrongdoings on the British side. Therefore the British have no "compromised" feelings when they talk about the war. Furthermore Britain did not have to suffer Nazi Terror and its political side effects on its soil. - let alone the bombing on England or its war losses in lives and property.
    But all others do, and therefore try to steer around this topic.

    Regards
    Kruska
     
  4. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

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    Not everywhere clown, take countries like France, Belgium , Holland etc.. there is not a week without a commemoration and the war is widely taught in their scholol curiculums. There are veterans coming over every year , not only in Normandy , but Mailly le Camp , Lorraine , the Ardennes etc.. they also come in classrooms and young generations carry on the traditions of paying a tribute to the fallen at local cemeteries.
    I agree political correctness is a pain , but why would it stop people from mentioning the war?
     
  5. sommecourt

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    I bet you read the Daily Mail as well...
     
  6. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    I'm horrified to see that it originated in Ontario. There are laws in this country regarding hate groups and holocaust denial. I'll do a little research and see what recourse there is to stop it; however, I agree that the using the link to the principal of the school may get a more immediate and satisfactory result.

    http://www.media-awareness.ca/engli.../federal/criminal_code/criminal_code_hate.cfm

    http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/online_hate/when_is_hate_a_crime.cfm

    I've not looked at the site yet, but the problem regarding legal action does get into the infringement of freedom of speech if it is an online discussion of the reader's opinions of the book vs hate speech laws if they are inciting or agreeing with the commitment of hateful acts.

    As always there is a balancing act between freedoms, the responsibility that comes with freedoms (for which some high school students are woefully incapable), and the need to ensure that hateful behaviour is restrained and eradicated.
     
  7. gregc

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    lets keep this peaceful guys dont wanna get it closed yet, since people are posting good responses and insight into this childish group, good points too macrusk I take a look at those links, as for the site, Its quite offensive in some ways look if you like and tell me what you think
     
  8. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    blimey..we in uk usually get accused of not forgetting the war....thats a new one...your missinformed clown..the number of museums etc ..memorials..summer fetes..dwarf usa museum numbers on the subject in uk alone without adding rest of europe.
     
  9. gregc

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    EDIT: Macrusk, the people who post there seem to hate nazis and dont doubt the holocaust at all, I think they hate just her and seem to aim it at the fact that she gets the most attention for victims and that they say she is just famous because she died, they also say stuff such as I said before not being a inspitration, not a hero, was weak, was not smart and was conceited and was a lesbian, sorry if I repeated what I said before but I just wanted to sum it up what they say basically
     
  10. macrusk

    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    Sorry gregc, but I've already reported it to Facebook and some of the posters. I've also written the school.

    "As a member of an international World War II Forum which endeavours to educate, research, and discuss World War II, I was horrified to see a post in which attention was brought to a Facebook site called I Hate Anne Frank. (I have the link to the page here in my email, but did not want to add it here)

    As a Canadian, whose Father's unit discovered Westerboek days after Anne Frank was moved from it to Auschwitz, it is very sad to see that a student from your school who will graduate in 2010 saw fit to begin such a group page, and that several other students from your school saw fit to join. My father fought in WWII, giving his youth, health, and peace of mind to ensure that this country had both free speech and to ensure the elimination of the promulgation of hatred against any specific group of people.

    I am saddened to see that the lesson intended by the teacher who assigned the reading assignment fell on such deaf ears. I am also embarrassed as a Canadian to think that this is the representation of Canadian youth being seen and examined by others around the world."
     
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    macrusk Proud Daughter of a Canadian WWII Veteran

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    They need to be called on it. To post my opinion - which they would not read or acknowledge any more than others who have spoken against the group - would require joining which I will not do. Most sadly is the fact that the person who created the group shares the same last name as my father, and carries the same name as the first member of my paternal family to come to North America. I don't know if there is a relationship connection - but if there is I hope it is so far removed that I am as closely related to him as a baboon!
     
  12. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Michelle, what an elegant and eloquent response. This is the kind of measured response that I hope gets some kind of reaction. Based on the posts at the site, it seems like a bunch of high schoolers who just wanted to vent about a required reading. We can only hope they grow up a bit and leave such foolishness behind.

    Please let us know if you get a response from the principal. If you don't I might be inspired to contact him myself.
     
  13. cl0wn

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    should really have clarified myself, the example i was thinking of when posting was when amongst foreigners on holiday, was on holiday in an almost exclisively german occupied hotel didn't feel comfortable reading my wWWII books on the beach.
     
  14. Mehar

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    If it has already been reported to the principle they can simply look it over and see which students were posting offensive things and which ones were not.

    Although if Facebook closes the group first it might not have much affect.
     
  15. gregc

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    thanks macrusk or Michelle, that is a very good thing too do, I wouldnt worry if it was a relative, there are a lot of people with same surnames, indeed LRusso, hopefully they will grow up someday and grow a bit wiser
     
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    Ok, I see :D
     
  17. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    we both see then..kruskas post is more relevant in that case. and both understandable...we gotta stop these love fests chaps...oh no worries..michelle has... i usually ignore these sites but understand those that cant. well done mcrusk.
     
  18. von Poop

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    I still don't get the 'disgusted' condemnation of some kids dicking around on facebook.
    We all dicked around as kids, only we didn't do it on facebook... modern kids do.

    Bunch of kids basically yabbering about a book that's being given them at school, in a childish manner - so what.
    If my own children received some sort of disciplinary problem at school over Internet-generated outrage and a perceived need to respond in some way from spooked teachers I'd be absolutely furious.

    If people wish to turn their efforts against real hate-mongers then why not support Nizkor or something? They have lists of the real bad boys, not just sprogs tooling about:
    Aryan Nations
    Christian Identity
    The Institute for Historical Review: Professional Holocaust Denial
    Extremism: William Pierce and The National Alliance
    The National Socialist White People's Party
    White Aryan Resistance
    etc. etc.

    ~A
     
  19. gregc

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    yes but Facebook should be a place of peace not of hatred and evil, their are clear statements by people that seriously do show they hate or downplay her and not just because they had too read the book for break, I agree though with helping with getting rid of the big offenders though
     
  20. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    Pointless stereotype, anyone?
     
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