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  1. Takao

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    He wasn't? How long did mainstream American media allow this Fake News farce to go on...Oh, near about all of Obama's presidency.


    Given that Trump started this whole Fake News business, his constant whining about it, make him appear all of the big baby that he his. He is "man" enough to dish it out, but is nothing more than a crying baby when it comes to taking it. Wussy!

    Oh...Trump most certainly hides behind a mask...That of a seemingly "tough guy", is the mask he wears. Yet, he is reduced to tantrums and tears with only a few words. Hardly what one would call a "tough guy." Thus, he is just another Washington swamp creature.

    Making the US an international laughingstock in a few short months is not considered to be doing more for the US...

    By denying them to others...

    By not saving the coal miners that he claims to have been saving, yet has done nothing about...

    Yes, he is making it even more sprawling...
    An obscene increase in defense spending, a massive infrastructure plan, sticking the government's nose into big and small businesses, governmental eminent domain, massive increases in immigration enforcement, and no touching the perilous Social Security problem.
    Nothing like big government...

    This Dirty Pig fights? Your delirious! This Dirty Pig has done nothing but whine, and cry, and pout, since he has assumed office.
     
  2. Takao

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    What is this?

    A "Where's Donny" contest?

    He must be "Pulling a Spicer", and hiding in the bushes...
     
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    Takao, I admire your effort but I think Thomas Paine nailed it when trying to debate with these folks,
    " attempting to debate with someone who has lost the ability to reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
    I have been trying to understand how normally rational people can possibly be persuaded to follow this idiot, but any reasonable answer still evades me.
     
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    Sorry, but no, you are not the Evader in Chief, so deflection will not work. You stated the U.S. was a "huge, sprawling government bureaucracy (22 million people, government employees outnumber manufacturing employees 1.8 to 1 !!!)", which was simply false. Now you want to justify your falsehood by claiming that the U.S. has a "central" (federal), state, and local government"...okay, so what? Newsflash bud, EVERY major first world country has a central, state, and local government. For example, your favorite, Russia, has a federal government, governing republics, oblasts, and territories, which in turn govern locally through rayons...so just exactly how is that different than the "sprawling government bureaucracy" of thee United States?

    Also just exactly what constitutes the Russian central government workforce's "sprawling government bureaucracy" in comparison to that of the U.S.? Well, employment of the central government in Russia is 683,000 (2009) for a population of 114.1 million. Let me do the math for you...that is 0.6%. However, the total employment in the general government sector as a percentage of labor force is 20.2% (2010). In the U.S., the central government's 2.7 million is in a population of 321.4 million...or 0.84%. Egads! A FULL 0.24% greater...except as a percentage of the labor force it is 14.6%, so 5.6% LESS. Nor is it really clear what employees the Russian statisticians include, since it is for the "core ministries of the central/federal government only". How about another nice lightly governed state? Like Hungary? Where 20.1% of the labor force is the central government. France? 19.5%. Australia? Now there is a lightly governed country of there ever was one...oh, 15.5%

    More reality to intrude into your fantasy world. The peaks of U.S. central government non-DOD employment sprawl since the growth began in 1940 were in 1978 (funded by Ford's Republican budget), 1992 (funded by Bush I's Republican budget carrying over from Reagan's Republican budget), and 2012 (funded by Obama's Democratic budget). However, the difference between the least to the greatest of those was just 100,000 employees. In 1946 it was 0.56% of the population. In 2014 it was 0.44%...the bogeyman of U.S. federal government growth sprawl is simply a myth, repeated by the ignorant to inflame the ignorant.
     
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    A government is the system by which a country is managed. It's internal divisions are unimportant.
    And in the US the system employs 22 million people.


    ok, then please list them.
    Those like the US, i.e. with independent from the federal government state executive, legislative, and judicial branches, which results in their own state laws - for example local gun laws, and then local property, labor, commerce, banking, family, corporation, electoral laws.

    In the US the states are really states. They are really partially independent. In Russia or France they are merely administrative divisions delineated for the purpose of making central administration easier.

    And really Russia? An authoritarian country ruled from Moscow.
     
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    Those are beautiful women. Do you really prefer ugly men?

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    Yes, it is.

    No, it does not. Repeating a lie doesn't make it the truth.

    I have listed a few, the U.S., Russia, Hungary, France, Australia...here's an idea, why don't you name those major first world countries that don't have a central, regional, and local government?

    WTF do you think you are trying to say with that mish-mash of words?

    WTF does that have to do with the supposed "sprawling government bureaucracy"?

    Why yes, Russia, you know, with its sprawling government bureaucracy. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you just bait-and-switched from "sprawling government bureaucracy" being people - such as the fictitious "22 million" to being "really independent". So how does Russia being an "authoritarian country" demonstrate it does not have a "sprawling government bureaucracy"?

    Or just continue down your path of idolatry of illogical thinking and ignoramuses...
     
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    He started nothing. The term "fake news" was invented in the nineteenth century, and was quite popular ten year ago already.

    It was made famous by the mainstream media trying to explain why their darling so called crooked Hillary lost, why they lost their influence, why their lost Internet.

    They invented the fake news that Trump is a Putin's puppet, or had engaged in “perverted sexual acts” that were “arranged/monitored” by the Russian intelligence, including hiring prostitutes to urinate on the bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton hotel in Moscow.

    US president-elect Donald Trump and current US president Barack Obama were informed last week by top US intelligence officials that Russians claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Trump, according to Jan. 10 reports in CNN, Buzzfeed, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.

    You have the real fake news makers listed right above.


    Since when the Americans have to care about what the "internationals" think.
    Another Kim's missile overflying Japan, another aggressive Putin's move in Europe and the internationals will run toward Trump yelping like a bunch of designer dogs.


    The industry was destroyed by Obama. It's revival is not economically feasible today. Others took their place, mostly people selling natural gas.


    And when did it happen? I've must have blinked or something...
     
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    Of course it has, although this doesn't prove that the US doesn't need some trimming of its bureaucracy.


    At the federal level, Cape Wind originally applied for a permit in 2001 under Section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 with the US Army Corps of Engineers.


    NIMBY three miles off shore? Please. Did the tribe live there, a hundred feet under the water?
    There are so many shitty laws regulating everything that the failure was almost certain without high level political support. And this includes all the laws prioritizing fish, snails, earthworms over people.
     
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    That the American states are enjoying so much freedoms, they are so much independent from the federal government that comparing them with "states" in Russia/France/Hungary is not even funny.
    Those Russian, French states are phony, only the name is the same.
    It's like comparing a Tesla with a Yugo.

    The American states are quite unique on this planet.
     
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    Really? Some facts please. The U.S. coal industry has been producing between 1 and 1.26 billion short tons of coal annually since 1994 through 2012, when it fell to 984-million tons in 2013 before increasing to just over 1 billion again in 2014. It then fell in 2015 to 897 million and to a low of 728 million in 2016 and now is on track to produce 800 million in 2017 (i.e., 1980s extraction levels)...all because, as the industry admits, demand is down because it cannot compete economically with natural gas and renewables. In 2015, U.S. coal production dropped 10.3% year-over-year to below 900 million short tons, the lowest annual production level since 1986.
    • Production in the Western Region, representing 56.6% of total U.S. coal production in 2015, totaled 507.4 million short tons (MMst), 6.5% lower than 2014.
    • In 2015, the productivity capacity of U.S. coal mines decreased for the fourth year in a row to 1,165 MMst, a decline of 6.3% from the 2014 levels.
    • The average number of employees at U.S. coal mines decreased 12.0% to 65,971 employees, the lowest on record since EIA began collecting data in 1978.
    • U.S. coal consumption of 798 MMst in 2015 was 13.1% lower from the 2014 levels. The electric power sector consumed about 92.5% of the total U.S. coal consumption in 2014.
    • Average sales price of coal from U.S. mines was $31.83 per short ton in 2015, 8.6% lower than the prior year.
    • Total U.S. coal stocks ended at 238.8 MMst, 20.6% higher than at the same time in 2014. Electric power coal stocks increased from 151.8 MMst at the end of 2014 to 195.9 MMst at the end of 2015, the highest year-ending stocks on record.
    The real non-Obama reason coal is in decline in the U.S.

    What Is Killing the US Coal Industry? | SIEPR
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...sg=AFQjCNHkxjqNN5VjzvNjGsEUuJgY8rOUng&cad=rja
     
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    Newsflash bucko, I made no such "comparison". It is YOU who keep shifting the goalposts of your own claim that the U.S. suffers from a "sprawling government bureaucracy" and you who are now squirming to change your definition of what that constitutes...mind you, I have no idea how you think you are advancing your argument that the U.S. suffers from a "sprawling government bureaucracy" because the "American states are enjoying so much freedom", but then I gave up on hearing anything rational from you long ago.
     
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    I got my definition of government from the Oxford English Dictionary ("the system by which a state is governed"), where did you get yours?
    It's you who's dragged Russia and France here. What for?

    If you don't understand the problem read this paper from the George Mason University, The Cumulative Cost of Regulations.
    Bureaucracy is needed to enforce regulations. The more regulations the more bureaucracy.
     
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    That man, Charles D. Kolstad, is an economist who has been pushing environmentalism, environmental regulations all his life. He's not an impartial source.

    Obama proposed the Clean Power Plan which would eliminate all coal-burning power plants, this killed coal because nobody wanted to invest in it. That it was in decline earlier didn't help.

    It seems you don't want to remember that we are going to put a lot of coal miners & coal companies out of business.
     
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    Well...Let's see.
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    There is an old hag, the six-million-dollar woman(more replacement parts than original), two little girls, and an old bald guy.

    Missing from the photo are the "beautiful women."
     
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    Rich, why does this guy remind me of Shooterike?
     
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    Not exactly sure what .wm's hang-up on this is...Perhaps self-loathing or jealousy.

    In a country where a good many of the people expect the government to do as much for them as possible, your going to need a lot of people. Of course, the actual number is a very small percentage of the population.

    But, hey, Poland's system employs a higher percentage of the populace, and .wm is silent concerning that fact. But, then again...It is Poland.


    Not in the US it wasn't...The term did not become popular until Trump.
    Although, perhaps you have confused it with the term "false flag", that term has been popular here in the US ten years ago.

    Regretfully, you are in error. Trump made it infamous, by using the term in vain attempts to deflect legitimate and factual criticisms of his presidency and his administration.

    You forgot this these...




    It's called "Karma"...What goes around comes around...It is chomping hard on Donny's behind and now he is crying like the big baby that he is.

    Since...Always.

    We have had another missile fly over Japan, and Putin has not stopped making aggressive moves in Europe...Yet, the internationals have not run towards Trump's door yelping...

    So...Obama made natural gas cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient than coal. Wow! And he did all of that just to bring down big coal.
    And you believe that you silly Pole.
    Hook. Line. Sinker. You swallowed them all.

    You obviously have not been paying attention to events going on in the US since January 20th...Because you missed a whole lotta somethings.
     
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    Nah, Shooterike was more intelligent...
     
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    Are you really this ignorant?

    They fish there...

    These "s****y laws" are what gave the approval for the wind farm in the first place. Don't expect me to believe that "Big Energy" has no political clout. However, names like Koch and Kennedy have even more political clout.
     
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