FIFA in the news

"Some people have the strange custom of moving a dunghill,but,as everyone knows,when you are moving a dunghill,the result will be even more dung ."

Thinking you meant the phrase:
Making mountains out of mole hills?

FIFA needs to be fined large, with the fines going to poor countries in order to fund equipment, fields, coaches etc... The mafia is probably knee deep in FIFA, as well as South American drug cartels.

 

Must be one of those foreign sayings...You know, the ones that don't make any sense.

Moving a dunghill, does not result in more dung, it just spreads the same amount of dung over a larger area...Here in the States, the farmers call it "spreading fertilizer."

 

A number of incorrect assumptions and lack of logic render your conclusions rather questionable. Sports have and do exist without corruption. Even popularity does not guarantee corruption. It's only after significant amounts of wealth or prestige become a factor in a sport that corruption is even likely to rear it's head. Even soccer doesn't require money to exist although professional soccer does.

FIFA has quite legitmate ways of earning money. Selling the rights to televise the games is a very big one. That's something of a red herring though. This isn't about FIFA needing or aquiring money it's about FIFA executives aquiring money (arguably at the expense of FIFA).

I would. The money simply isn't worth it. Of course with my income I couldn't hide it either so the odds of me keeping it and staying out of jail aren't all that high. I suspect there are more than a few on this board who could say the same thing. I strongly suspect Lynch could say no as well.

I'm not surprised to hear that you wouldn't refuse. It also indicates why you don't understand those who would (actually I didn't need to limit that with the last three words). I don't know whether Lynch or the pope would vote for Qatar but I strongly suspect that neither would take the money. In both cases it simply wouldn't be worth it. It's another thing you don't understand but it's much easier to enumerate what you do understand that the reverse so that's hardly a surprise.

 

Yep,
"Hotel sheets are very much like FIFA officials: they really should be clean, but they're actually unspeakably filthy, and deep down everybody knows that."...hahahah, its true.

 

Tell this to the people of Barca : they will have a good laugh : they pay Messi 12.5 million £(he receives another 12.5 million from Adidas,which is continuously involved in corruption affairs).A short time before the discussion if Qatar could have the WC ,started, the Qatar foundation proposed Barca a sponsor deal of 156 million Euro (sufficient to have Mesi for another 12 years) .The people of Barcelona were not stupid ,they knew that the silent condition was that they would use their influence at the Spanish football association to give Qatar the WC .

And the same happened in France : The Emir of Qatar owns the most important football club of Frnce (Paris St-Germain) and placed orders with France for some 740 million Euro,thus Platini was pro Qatar .

Thus,we are not talking about some sordide corruption,but about big business and international politics :Qatar owns 17 % of Volkswagen , thus Germany supported Qatar .

The jobs of thousands of people and ,more important, of several politicians,depend on Qatar having the WC. Thus,the intervention of an ambitious American politician....She does not know what she is doing: one word of the Emir, and out is Lynch .

 

LJAd your latest rant had nothing to do with the post you quoted. Of course most of your rants here have little to do with the topic at hand other than illustrating that you don't know much about it and understand even less. Either that or your are trollilng. Or both.

 

The trouble is that no matter who you vote for, they are all part of the game . If there was any government who would make sport programs no longer compulsory and paid for by those who don't actually want them , then they'd have my vote.

 

I am not obliged to look at the sport programs,and I am not paying for these programs . I never look at them .I could look live at football matches by subscribing on a paying channel,but I am not interested .

Football,cyclism,athletics,etc are surviving at the grace of the sponsors (of which there are some dubious exemples) ,and the sponsors are investing because they have a return (=because people are buying their products) .Coca Cola is investing a lot of millions in the WC because this is increasing the sales;the moment people are no longer buying Coca Cola when Coca Cola is making publicity during the WC,it is over and out for the WC .

 

Breaking news: Blatter has resigned! Now we have to see if that will be enough to allow reforms!!

 

Nothing will change :if anything would change, this would result in the end of the Fifa .And of the Uefa .

 

???
Obviously some things will change. If nothing else there will be new personel in the head office. I suspect at the vary least they will take precautions to minimise the chance of facing criminal charges for their conduct at some point in the future. There is a decent chance of some significant anticorruption reforms. How long they will last is anyones guess and will likely depend on how closely they are watched. I don't see any of these being "the end of the Fifa" indeed FIFA could come out of this even stronger if played right.

 

They will take precautions to not get caught,which is not the same .Fifa and Uefa can not survive without secret money deals with dubious persons.Every week $2 billion are wagered in Asia alone on football : this creates corruption;replacing Blatter will not change this . These 2 billion will not disappear and they will continue to guide football .

 

LJ makes a good point. Unsure how placing bets would effect FIFA, but criminal elements could always approach players or ref's.
Is FIFA at fault if players or officials decide to take bribes.
Is FIFA charged with accepting bribes that affect where games/world cups are played (really big money), or is it that FIFA does not investigate charges of corrupt players/officials (not as much money)?

 

Not the same = change. So you agree that you were off the mark in your previous post where you said "nothing will change"?

That's an hypothesis on your part that simply has nothing at all to support it. Of course it is irrelevant in any case becasue the current indictments are about officials in the organization behaving in corrupt and illegal ways. Indeed FIFA should be on even firmer ground if this is eliminated. Care to try to formulate a logical arguement for FIFA falling because it is manned by non corrupt officials?

No it does not creat corruption. It may help create a climate where it can potentiall flurish but it does not create it. Besides at that level the corruption is far more likely to be oriented at particular teams, players, and field officials rather than the top leadership of FIFA. Certainly the $2B will not dissapear. Indeed if the perception is that the sport is cleaner it may actually increase although I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop a bit in the near term. That doesn't mean that it guides soccer though

 

Blatter is in charge unitl the end of the year and will probably suggest/promote who is supposed to succeed him.

 

There was corruption at the basis and at the top before Blatter, during Blatter,there also will be corruption after Blatter : nothing will change

All Fifa members (the different federations) who have the power in last instance (not Blatter) are liable to corruption : the Chinese wager maffia is fixing matches over the whole world .(680 matches in 30 countries were investigated);corrupt businessmen are buying clubs to whitewash their money :there is nothing Blatter/his predecessors,his successors can do about it .It happened in Italy, Belgium, South Korea, Turkey,Finland,.Portugal,Germany....It happened in cricket, in badminton (Olympic Games of 2012),it is current practice in cyclism .

Clubs are bought by foreigners for economic and politic reasons : the first French club (Paris St-German is owned by the Emir of Qatar).

Sporters are taking prohibited means and this also is current practice .

Fifa federations (in fact :their governments) are giving the top money to have the organisation of the WC,because the WC are no longer sport events ( I doubt they ever wer) but commercial events who are lucrative for a lot of persons .

No corruption means less money,less money means no WC as they exist, no players as Messi who earn 25 million euro a year,no WC,no European Championships mean the end of the Uefa and the Fifa .What would do Platini if there were no European Championships, what would do Blatter if there were no world championships ? If there were no sponsors,where would the Fifa/the Uefa get their money from ?

 

11 of the 20 clubs of the English premier league are owned by foreigners: by people as Abramovich (Chelsea), Al Fayed (Fulham) Mansoun=deputy PM of the United Arab Emirates (City):these people buy clubs,they also buy the right to organize the WC.

 

5 of the 11 are owned by Americans...Why did you not name them? Probably because the United States did not get the World Cup in 2018 or 2022.

Arsenal - Enos Stanley Kroenke(66% controlling interest, also owns several major American sports teams)
Aston Villa - Randy Lerner(although this club has been up for sale, all deals for the sale fell though)
Liverpool - John W. Henry
Manchester United - The Glazer Family
Sunderland - Ellis Short

Guess you can't buy the right to organizer the World Cup...But, then again, why would we Americans want the World Cup to be hosted here? Outside of bragging rights, these major events(World Cup & Olympics) are money pits...You get back less than you put in.

 

"You get back less than you put in."

If this was so,why would Qatar,SA,Russia pay all this money to have the right to organize the World Cup ?

And why were the US doing all the trouble to get the World Cup organisation in 1994?