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  1. LJAd

    LJAd Well-Known Member

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    German translation : Befehl ist Befehl

    Not that I condemn her for this : she had also to pay for her mortgage and the $ of a white-collar criminal were more important than the dimes of a poor devil .
     
  2. lwd

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    Takao had some good response to most of this but I'll take a somewhat different tack on a couple of them.

    Weren't you making a point in a number of posts about "innocent until proven guilty" American law pretty much requires that someoone defend the accused. It's a vital part in our legal system. Especially since she wasn't in charge of the firm I don't see much wrong with this.

    Are you claiming as Attorney General in New York she was "soft in prosecuting white-collar criminals". If so I'd like to see some sources for this. Indeed she had something of a name for prosecuting corruption a "white-collar crime".

    You've expressed this opinion before. Doing so again doesn't make it any less irrelevant or more valid.

    Warped very warped. There is no reason at all she shouldn't express her feelings private or not. In this case though it's pretty clear that it is part of her job and not just her "private feelings" but the position of the agency she heads.
     
  3. lwd

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    Could you restate that in a way that makes sense in English. It is her job to fight corruption (in FIFA and otherwise) and she is doing it. I think this may contradict what you were trying to say but I'm not sure.

    Can't do what? In any case she's not in politics as has been pointed out before.

    Wrong and wrong. She doesn't work for the state department nor as I pointed out a number of times including above is she a politician. Furthermore the best politicans are moral ones.

    ??? You really do live in a fantasy world don't you. The US has considerably more than "a few" allies. I don't see where she has insulted any of them either. Care to produce some sourcees.

    Sources please.

    Interesting accusations. Try and make any sort of real case for them though. Pretty sure you can't.

    Thus illustrating your complete lack of understanding of what constitutes corruption and bribery and your willingness to make wild accusations with little or nothing in the way of fact and logic to support them.
    If you consider microseconds a long time perhaps.

    Can't expect much better from a troll though can you.
     
  4. Takao

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    Orders are orders is for the military...Ms. Lynch is a civilian...So it would be "employed or unemployed." Or, perhaps, "food from the grocery store or food from the dumpster."

    Any way, it has no bearing on the matter at hand, which is the criminal prosecution of the FIFA higher-ups.
     
  5. LJAd

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    The Obama friendly New York Times wrote the following ;

    Ms Lynch,only one month into her job as attorney general,captured the world's attention this week when she vowed to rid Fifa,soccer's global governing nody,of corruption .


    When one sees the words : "only one month in office" "captured the world's attention" ,should one not become suspicious ? Some one one month in office captured the world's attention:translation : someone one month in office was seeking to capture the world's attention .

    And,there id a very big difference between " criminal prosecution of the Fifa higher-ups " and "to rid the Fifa of corruption" .

    The first is a witch-hunt,starting from the POV that the higher-ups of the Fifa are criminals (following the US law) and the second is saying (without proof) :the Fifa is corrupt and I will eliminate this corruption .

    There also are resemblances:in both cases,Lynch is biased and should withdraw or be replaced,and in both cases she is overstepping her authority .
     
  6. lwd

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    Typical LJAd post. No logic, little fact, lots of off base opinions.
     
  7. Takao

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    Exactly...Ms. Lynch is not supporting corruption. She is prosecuting the corrupt FIFA big wigs.

    It is her job not to support corruption...In Fifa or otherwise.


    This leaves me wondering what your problem is? According to your own words, Ms. Lynch is doing exactly her job, yet you complain constantly about her.

    Who pissed in you Cheerios?


    I'm with lwd on this...Can't do what? What is this mysterious "this" that you speak of.

    1) If you can't do this, you should not enter in politics


    I will expand on lwd's response. Ms. Lynch is a political appointee, not a politician - She was not elected by the people of the United States to serve as the US Attorney General, she was selected by the President for the post, and this was confirmed by the US Senate.

    Then again, pretty much everything these days is "politics" in one sense or another.


    Well, let's see...

    http://www.justice.gov/jmd/organization-mission-and-functions-manual-attorney-general

    Nope, sorry, but I don't see anything about supporting corruption or increasing corruption here. Although I am sure you can find a quote from the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist crowd to support such an absurd claim.

    You can certainly go into politics using moral principals, why would you think otherwise?


    I must have missed the point when FIFA became one of the US Allies. When was this?


    SA? South America? South Africa? Sexaholics Anonymous?(yes, there is such a thing...Google it)

    If you mean Saudi Arabia and the possible flogging of Raif Badawi...Well, as usual your "facts" are incorrect.
    Obama visits Saudi Arabia, stays mum on flogging
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-saudi-arabia-flogging-20150127-story.html


    This is the same Syrian dictator that Obama backed down from and gave in to...despite crossing Obama's "Red Line" concerning Syrian use of chemical weapons???

    I found this to be insulting to us Americans, and not the Syrians, but perhaps that was just me.


    US, and later NATO, intervention is why the Libyan Civil War succeeded in toppling Gaddafi...Further Libya is feeling alienated because of a lack of US support in fighting ISIS/ISIL.


    According to most major news sources, US forces have killed several of the ISIS leadership, thus making them ex-ISIS leaders...How is this supporting the ex-leaders of ISIS?

    Or do you mean the supposed current leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi...He was the one that was captured in early 2004, and released in December, 2004...Under President George W. Bush's watch.


    First off, hindering Hillary Clinton from becoming President is not a bad thing...

    Bill;s Foundation received 10 to 25 times as much from Saudi Arabia, and roughly as much from UAE and Oman. But, hey, the $1 million to $5 million that Qatar donated to Bill's Foundation is a drop in the bucket compared to the some $400 million that Qatar has "donated" to Hamas.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/world/middleeast/pledging-400-million-qatari-emir-makes-historic-visit-to-gaza-strip.html


    The CIA marches to the tune of it's own drummer...And I don't think it's plans include hosting a FIFA World Cup.


    Well, at least not until your next post...Ooops! I see time on that is already up.
     
  8. lwd

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    Takao, earlier in the thread he was ranting about South Africa so I suspect that's what he means by SA. Since there have been bribery charges related to them that fits as well.

    Obviously in your haste to imply all sorts of nefarious but unlikely things here you haven't considered one of the signifant aspects of this. If she has been in office for only a month this case was hardly her makeing. Indeed even the timing on the arrests and announcement of the charges was likely decided on before she took office. To get the kind of evidence that they would need for this case would have taken months and possibly years. Ms Lynch is, as is her duty, merely serving as the public face of the DoJ in this case. Which implies in and by itself that your repeated diatribes are not warrented. Of course they've been shown to be so far off base that they aren't even in the part for other reasons as well. It's not clear to me why you have made such a fool of yourself over this issue but then trolls don't need reasons do they ....
     
  9. Takao

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    Actually, I hooked onto "FIFA", and "soccer's global governing body", and my first thought was MAFIFA...with the following mental image
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    No not at all. The investigation began back in 2009, and any idiot knows that Ms. Lynch was just appointed to the office. Had Holder been able to keep his post, then he would be the one who "captured the world's attention." Except, Holder made a complete butch of his job and resigned while being threatened with impeachment.


    Actually, as to the first, it has nothing at all to do with the fact that the higher-ups are criminals...It has every thing to do with the fact that you don't bribe the "peons", you bribe the people in the positions of power.

    If you want a major TV contract, well, you are not about to bribe one of the FIFA janitors...Are you?.

    As to the second, I'm fairly certain that Ms. Lynch has proof as to how far that corruption goes...And Mr. Blatter's resignation will most likely be seen as "proof positive" that Ms. Lynch has him by the "short and curlies."


    Ummm...You have to reasonably demonstrate the bias of Ms. Lynch. You have yet to do so...

    Nor is she overstepping her authority...If she was, the case would be immediately dismissed on technicality...It hasn't.

    Case closed...
     
  10. LJAd

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    1)About Syria : Obama publicly attacked Assad in the UN (something that never has been done),threatened him with war (about the chemical attacks) and the end was that he (Obama) was forced to ....help Assad .What do you think is the today influence of the US in Syria ?


    2)About Egypt :after the fall of Mubarak and the advent of Morsi,Obama supported him and when Sissi replaced Morsi, Obama attacked Sissi and was outraged when Morsi got the death penalty .What do you think is the today influence of the US in Egypt ? For the Egyptians,what they will do with Morsi is their own business .

    CNN: Egyptians blame Obama for Morsi repression .


    How Obama sided with the Muslim Brothers:

    In Egypt the Obama administration has treated military ruly as the worst and perhaps the only catastrophe that could befal Egypt.
    .......This line of thinking has led to politics that favor Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood .
    An aide to Kerry : we do not share the view of the Egyptian government about the links between the MB and ISIS[.Egyptian] leaders need to include and find ways to reach out to,the MB.


    My comments :

    It is not on the US to dictate the Egyptian government what their policy should be concerning the MB.It is an open interference in the domestic affairs of Egypt and the US will pay for it in the end .

    3)About Saoudi Arabia :here also we have the (usual,unceasing ) interference in domestic affairs of an ally :

    "The Obama administration briefly on Thursday called on Saudi Arabia to cancel the flogging of Mr Badawi ."

    "Raif Badawi and Saoudi Arabia's intolerance" : Washington Post 10 january 2015 .

    My comments: if the Obama administration has something to say about the flogging of Badawi (which it hould not), it should do this very discreetly and not in public,because the latter is perceived in the ME as an insult . If the king of SA would openly attack the US for police violence, there would be a lot of adverse reactions in the US .
     
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    About Lynch: I discussed the whole thing with some lawyers and a retired judge,and the negative comments were legion : cowboys, publicity-seekers, violation of the presumption of innocence, violation of the independence of justice,etc
     
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    Lionel Messi could stand trial for tax evasion after a Barcelona court threw out an appeal lodged by his lawyers.

    The case stems from allegations that Messi and his father, Jorge, should have paid Spanish tax authorities €4.16m (£3m) on earnings between 2007 and 2009.
    Prosecutors accused the Messis of evading tax by funnelling income derived from the player's image rights through "purely instrumental entities" in Switzerland, Belize and Uruguay.
    The scheme is alleged to have commenced when Messi was a minor and both the Argentina forward and his father have denied any wrongdoing.
    But a ruling at Barcelona’s provincial high court on Wednesday has paved the way for Messi to stand trial, after stating he should not be granted impunity for not knowing what was happened with his finances.
    Messi and his father made a €5m (£3.6m) “corrective payment” to Spanish authorities in August 2013 to clear the outstanding sum and the interest that would have been due on the amount.
     
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    Off the mark and off the wall as usual.

    Since they didn't, no problem right?

    Speaking out on such things is not at all unreasonble. Calling it "interference" is a bit of an exageration. Or more than a bit. Indeed there are many who critisize the US, with some justification, for not only not speaking out enough for not taking action as well. All of which is OT in this thread.

    I take it this is anther attempt to distract attention from your obviously flawed arguments and opinions todate. Here's a hint it really doesn't help your rep to go from one loosing position to anther.

    I see you are giving us the impressions of what was said by some anonymous individuals whose biases and knowledge of the topic at hand are unknown. Furthermore given your selection of sources to date are likely very questionable. What weight do you think we should put in such? As far as I'm concerned the signal to noise ratio of that post was 0. I suspect I'm far from alone in that opinion.
     
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    Been trying to watch Womens FIFA out of Edmonton...It is torture. Just brutal. Wondering how much Edmonton bid for the games, because attendance after the first game is abysmal...Must be family/girlfriends who pay to watch that paint dry.
     
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    That sounds like soccer, especially pro soccer in general. Could be worse I guess, at least it's not golf or baseball.
     
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    Don't mind watching womens golf -Michelle Wei ooh lala.
    http://michellewie.com/
    As well as volleyball, tennis, badminton, track, golf, pingpong is watchable for moi.
    Danika Patrick is just a hazard on the track. Plus, you know how women can be:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN7eLhSuwCw

    How aboot an all womens driving league? Would include parallel parking challenge (im bad).

    Basketball, soccer, baseball, football (even the lingerie clad one), hockey, MMA, has not and will never develope into a TV revenue making sport.
     
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    Watching Germany/USA. A more entertaining game, but still doubt either could beat a good highschool boys team.
    Germany had a penalty kick, and she managed to miss the net by a good 2-3 feet.
    Canadas 'hero' managed to miss the net an a penalty kick as well, eliminating them from the tournament.
     
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