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Firepower vs Protection vs Mobility

Discussion in 'Post-World War 2 Armour' started by Zhukov_2005, Aug 30, 2005.

  1. Jeffrey phpbb3

    Jeffrey phpbb3 New Member

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    If reactive armour worked we'd all have it now (USA/ France/ UK/ Germany???)

    USA has reactive armor fr Bradley, Abrams etc
    France got some packages to (not equiped)
    UK has Challenger 2 and Warrior with reactive armor (also a version with add-on reactive armor on turret in service)
    Germany, don't know about them, but the point is that many countries have reactive armor fr there tanks but they don't use them (in peace time)

    If anti aircraft guns worked we'd all have them now (UK??)

    Most have them, and I'm sure the UK uses them 9or atleast used them.
     
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    Yup, but the Israelis started using reactive armour in the late eighties - only took us twenty years :lol: Again fotr the USA with Bradley, I haven't seen ERA on Abrams, any links? And the French put it on AMX-30 BRENUS which are, I think, export models.
    UK cancelled it anti-aircraft guns in the late fifties/ early sixties. We do have a couple of ex-Argentian ones, but our last project was Ratefixer/ Green Mace/ Longhand (or something like that) - just when we had the system worked out the MoD went to missiles. The Falcon and/ or Sabre would have been nice....
     
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    We still used AA guns in the Falklands (Well sort of... does a handful of Marines and Paras with GPMGs count? :lol: )
     
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    Marines and Paras using jimpies as AA? Wimps. Should have let the rock apes (RAF Regiment) go, they'd have used their teeth :lol:
     
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    I haven't seen ERA on Abrams, any links

    Its part of the TUSK upgrade :D
     
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    The TUSK upgrade to the M1 places reactive armor on the sides and side skirts as well as slats on the rear to help defend against close quarters infantry weapons , mainly RPGs. Reactive armor on the frontal section which is engineered to resist kinetic as well as chemical energy weapons is a different issue entirely. It isn't planned and there is no eveidence of a need for it.
     
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    We are talking about ERA, doesn't matter what ERA, ERA is ERA...
     
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    unless it's ordinary ERA vs. the Russian Kontakt-5 :lol:
     
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    Unless one is talking about SLERA (self limiting explosive reactive armor)
    or CLARA (Ultrax hybrid reactive armor) or NERA (non-explosive reactive armor) or "smart armor" like FSAP full spectrum active protection-under development by the US) or a subset of FSAP, FCLAS (full spectrum active protection close-in shield) :wink:
     
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    Lets say its still RA than :lol: :lol: :p
     
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    Ahh, but those last few are active armour, as opposed to reactive. And include Arena :lol:
     
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    Oli wrote;

    Indeed they are however my point was that things are not always as cut and dried as they may seem.
     

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