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Fury (2014)

Discussion in 'WWII Films & TV' started by Deelite, Oct 15, 2014.

  1. Pacifist

    Pacifist Active Member

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    As one of it's detractors I wouldn't say anyone in the thread hates the movie. For myself, it did so many thing right. That the few things I disliked stood out even more.
    Pearl Harbor was so bad you just try to ignore it so it'll go away. Fury IMO wasn't great but it fell short by such a small margin that I can't help but make my disappointment known.
     
  2. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    Gentlebeings, the problem here is we all know too much. Nobody's going to make a perfect war movie, if they did part of the audience would have to die.
     
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  3. CAC

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    What do we want from a perfect war movie anyway? Simple authenticity...action? Realism? Enjoyment? Sorrow?
     
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    3D, oderama, sensuround, sparks, flashing lights, and maybe a few bottle rockets shooting around.
     
  5. USS Washington

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    Fair enough, I'm just saying that Fury seems have mixed views among history buffs.
     
  6. KJ Jr

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    I've watched it numerous times since opening night, and it continues to grow on me. However, the village scene is very disjointed, IMO, specifically when the remainder of the crew comes into the flat drunk and disorderly. Whatever the director meant for me to take out of this scene (perhaps the emotional and cerebral pain of war) it doesn't work for me. I would have been fine with consistent battle scenes throughout. Unfortunately that doesn't gel with Hollywood.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    The apartment scene was an leadership issue. The troops can go only so far before the Top Kick yanks the chain.
     
  8. KJ Jr

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    Yeah, perhaps that was the point of the scene. Reaffirming the chiefs dominance. Also, its amazing how much he let go during the scene.
     
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    He has to let them go for a bit. If you watch the movie you'll see the breaking point, the "that's enough" moment. My troops knew when I was fed up, they heard my command voice and hove to quickly.
     
  10. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    There are a couple of things that I take from that scene; after riding the new guy, breaking him down, it was time to build him up.
    The flat scene was pretty much a "graduation moment or loss of innocence".
     
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    Learned that in LMET*, formally anyway (I knew that gut level before that). He was both making amends for having blooded the FNG and learning more about him.

    *Leadership/Management Effectiveness Training.
     
  12. formerjughead

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    It's really the first thing that "War Daddy" tells him to do that he does "willingly", albeit with the caveat of: "If you don't I will"; I think this is due to feeling that the girl is, or at least pretends to be, attracted to him. In any case this is clearly the most palatable order he has been given.

    I don't know, it's too cerebral for me. I prefer the old recipe: Leave home, blow sh*t up, Kill bad guys, get the girl, drink a toast to your dead buddies and live happily ever after.
     
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    I appreciate them showing more than that. Military people are too often depicted in an overly simplistic manner that supports the misapprehension that only stupid people are needed. Stupid people don't last long in combat, but complex ones need more management. The movie "Twelve O'clock High" is a tour de force of management styles by one man. If you watch with an eye to how he handles various ranks, jobs, and skill levels it's actually quite impressive.
     
  14. KJ Jr

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    I can buy that.
     
  15. Rogue1987

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    I just saw the movie yesterday after it had been lying in my closet for weeks.
    To be honest I was dreading it a lot.
    Mostly because tanks just terrify me and I get claustrophobic just watching them roll by in movies.
    From the moment the movie started I got a very uncomfortable feeling in my stomach and that feeling didn't leave me until the movie was over.

    Fury is unlike any other war movie I ever saw. It's brutal, vile, horrendous, raw and it just grabbed me by the throat and refused to let me go, even last night when I went to bed it kept me up.
    Let's clarify that I haven't seen any tank movies at all so maybe this one sucks for a lot of you here because of the mistakes but for me it was a great movie.

    I thought that the beginning was haunting, the new guy that had to clean the blood out of the tank, discovering half a face ( I almost puked ), being bullied by his crewmen ( logically but still ), tanks rolling over soldiers, splashing them apart. It was hard to watch.

    I quite liked the dinner scene though, for me that whole scene was tensed and I anticipated lots of things from it, but not that Wardaddy just sat there calmly, watching the kid play piano and the lady making eggs.
    The scars on his back gave his character more depth and while I usually don't like Brad Pitt as an actor he really did a great job in this movie.
    The scene shifted when the other guys came in and the atmosphere became even more tense.
    For me it was a good scene. It revealed a lot of the group dynamics.

    The Tiger/Sherman fight was well done in my opinion but I'm sure it's full of errors, but I don't know enough of tanks to talk about that.
    All of the tank fights felt very real to me, were constricting and took my breath away. Just the idea of being locked away in a tank like that, not being able to get out, bullets and mortars flying at your face. It was hard to watch and it felt like you were sitting right next to them, experiencing it all. I had the same with Saving Private Ryan and the beach scene.

    Btw: that final battle scene where they don't bring all their armor inside before hand was a bit unbelievable. Here are four guys who've been with each other for four years, who have all the experience in the world and they don't bring all their ammo inside when they know 300 SS'ers are coming their way? That was really dumb.
    Oh also the two potato masher grenades that were being dumped into the tank at the end blew right? How was Wardaddy still sitting there unscathed? I didn't get that.

    Spoiler alert!!

    When the crewmen kept saying: best job I ever had, I automatically said: no last job you ever had.
    And then the end battle began and I got a bad feeling about it, realizing that my words were probably going to be true.
    Somehow I hadn't expected all of them to end up like that. Of course the new guy had to make it, which felt really unfair in a way.
    It left me gutted, shocked and unable to find sleep last night.

    The movie is really grim, very depressing but it feels very authentic. The battles feel real, the emotions are real, everyone's acting is an A+ (despite the fact that I don't even like Shia and Brad ) and I just wish it had a slightly different ending. But that wouldn't have been realistic of course.
    It's just so strange that four guys lived through almost four years of combat together and so close to the ending lose it anyway.

    But I'm definitely watching it again.
    Does anyone know where you can find the deleted scenes? They are not in my DVD box.
     
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  16. Ron Goldstein

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    Giving this thread a "bump" simply because I have just come across this letter I wrote to The Times many moons ago:
    Brad’s Sherman

    Thousands of Sherman tanks were supplied under Lend/ Lease to the British Army and were used extensively

    September 7 2013, 1:01am, The Times

    Sir, You describe Brad Pitt taking driving lessons in a Sherman tank — “used by the US Army in the Second World War” (news in brief, Sept 5). Thousands of these tanks were supplied under Lend/ Lease to the British Army which used them in almost every combat area.
    Ron Goldstein
    (ex 4th Queen’s Own Hussars)
    Cockfosters, Herts
     
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  17. Field_Marshal_Pluskat

    Field_Marshal_Pluskat New Member

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    The tank scene and the battle with the SS division was fantastic but in reality, The Sherman tank will be completely destroyed
     

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