GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

It's also a point for Scotland's independence. Not only do they have petrol , but their capital is UK's second finance zone. To be noted that both cities voted "in".

 

If Scotland, at least theorethically, becomes a new EU member state, then strict Schengen border should be introduced at the frontier between Scotland and England. Note, that this is a fact, not just my opinion.

 

Recently, European Parliament President Martin Schulz warned Britain that the European single market, to which Britain is expected to seek continued access "entails four freedoms: capital, goods, services, persons - and not three, or three and a half." Clear, isn't it?

 

It's clear that these 4 pillars have been 'set in concrete', just for UK, before any negotiations have started. But they are not unilateral. Why is that?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-cannot-have-single-market-a-la-carte-say-eu-leaders-a7109141.html

One other option for UK:
. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36639261

 

This is a WW2 forum, right? So let’s see the present affairs from the historic perspective.

The following passage from a conversation between Churchill and Rosevelt in August 1941 reminds me to the UK plans for free access to the European market:

Roosevelt: No artificial barriers, as few favored economic agreements as possible. Opportunities for expansion. Markets open for healthy competition.'

Churchill: 'Mr. President, England does not propose for a moment to lose its favored position among the British Dominions. The trade that has made England great shall continue, and under conditions prescribed by England's ministers.'

That was then and now, the UK is in opposite position – European Union is not a British Dominion.

 

dbf above touches on something even as I write on the same subject!

One thing that is perhaps not apparent to those within the EU, is how much the EU tariffs and regulations cost the consumer. If you look at the cost of goods and services in developed nations outside the EU vs the costs within, you may just pull your hair out! A gallon (liter) of gas, of milk, a pound of chicken, a Japanese car, etc, all cost double, triple, quadruple what we pay outside the EU.
In all economic systems the taxes, regulatory costs, tariffs, eventually roll down to the consumer. The EU creates another economic barrier over and above the national barriers to take money out of the pocket of the ordinary guy.
That isn't to say that the bureaucracy in GB can't totally hose this up by trying to squeeze a similar amount of extra revenue out of their citizens when they finally exit, but perhaps they'll see the light and give their citizens a break. The more money in the consumers pocket, the more he has to spend on things he ordinarily wouldn't buy. Greater spending creates economic growth and jobs.

 

Perhaps this has been lost in translation, so I'll re-word it:

Why is it the case that the UK has been told that there will be no relaxation of the 4 pillars, when the EU already has varied agreements with other countries?

 

Der Spiegel: "Die befürchtete Hängepartie bleibt aus, Theresa May übernimmt die Macht in Großbritannien. Kanzlerin Merkel signalisiert, dass die designierte Premierministerin nicht mit Zugeständnissen rechnen darf."

Eng: "The feared stalemate remains, Theresa May takes power in Britain. Merkel signaled that the designated prime minister should not expect concessions."

 

Why?

Still just curious for your take on the EU's stance with UK.

 

Ok. I confess that I am a member of 'the other ww2 forum' which I cannot name as I will be shot. I failed to shut down the discussion on said forum as people conspired against me by getting bored with the subject going round in circles when nobody could predict the outcome of Brexit. I have been given one last go at being a mole by infiltrating this forum so please do not spoil my chances of advancement. I suspect that you are a double agent as you are also a member of the 'other' forum so does that make you my friend or foe? It is very confusing this espionage business. Anyway, it whiles away the time while I hide, in a remote cave in Scotland, from my 'embarrassment' of Brexit. Be aware that I sleep with a pillow under my gun and that I can shoot a melon from 12 paces. Size 6 Female.

 

But Scotland's oil sector is in crisis right now, Skip. Jobs are being shed left, right and centre, and if we'd been stupid enough to vote for independence we'd be in shit street right now.
The EU has already stated Scotland wouldn't automatically be a member state of the EU if it separated from Britain-
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/02/scotland-risks-becoming-greece-without-sun-thinktank-gove

 

How about posting the original and letting us make our own minds up what it meant?
If you told me it was nighttime, I'd ask for a second opinion.

 

I heard a discussion on our National Public Radio (US) saying there was a move underway to relocate the world's banking center, London, to a new location within the EU. Is that true ? Of course it could end up in Hong Kong or Shanghai as far as the world center part goes but in the EU I would guess Paris, Frankfort or Brussels. Obviously the main reason London opted to stay in. They interviewed a young London banker who voted to get out oblivious to the idea he might lose his job. Scary.

As an outsider who really is fond of the UK I can understand national identity is important and I can see how economics is a huge factor. Time will determine the latter.

I wish the UK the best of luck in their decision.

Gaines

 

The French have had enough of holding back the migrants at Calais. Going to start demolishing the camp and presumably letting them cross the English Channel. What is of grave concern is there are 400+ unaccompanied children in this northern camp. Hundreds went missing when the southern half of the camp was demolished previously.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/calais-jungle-refugee-camp-demolition-mayor-natacha-bouchart-a7134426.html

Away to start digging out a nuclear bunker. Just heard Boris Johnson has been appointed Foreign Secretary.

Here's a clip of our new prime minister Theresa May slagging off Boris Johnson just 13 days ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xxQkqpAEwmg

And Boris's winning poem about President Erdogan of Turkey written in May of this year. He's going to make a super foreign minister

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/boris-johnson-wins-the-spectators-president-erdogan-offensive-poetry-competition/

 

Italy, also seems to be having issues.
Very happy to see migrants taking up camp near george clooney's 7.5 mill Euro Italian get away...Clooney is such a humanitarian, maybe he could offer some support to the town burdened.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1436539/massive-migrant-camp-home-to-hundreds-of-refugees-springs-up-close-to-george-clooneys-7-5million-lake-como-hideaway/

 

Seems the new British PM (who wanted Brexit) has just appointed Boris Johnson to the post of Foreign Minister.... My oh my do we live in an interesting time indeed.

I see major changes ahead. Good for GB!

 

Not if the Shetlands secede. Oh that would be so sweet!

 

Discriminiting ponies, see how brexit affects you ?

 

I agree, the EU should tax import products and protect local companies like the US and China already do. why are we the only fortress with open doors, both foor goods and people? This being said taxes in Norway are even higher. Most people could even afford a holiday there.