GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

Yes let us do that. Here is the 'Social Security budget. Note how Income Support (the benefit that seems to enrage most Sun/Daily mail readers) is but a £3 billion part of the whole. The path to riches seems to lie with getting rid of all the Pensioners who combined soak up £94 billon.

 

I am a labourer in construction and in full time education studying business studies...
In class, everyone's UK or commonwealth, at work, everyone's UK or whatever but also, a lot of Eastern Europeans and Irishmen in my line of work, a lot.
I wonder, what'll happen to them if GB Brexit? Don't they care because they're already here? IDK. - Just something I've noticed/can't escape.

 

OMG

That's 15 spanking new aircraft carriers right there! Quick, where's me gun....

 

What would happen to the hundreds of thousands British citizens who live outside the UK in the EU? Would they have to stand in line with Syrians to apply for a work permit , or would they be sent back ?

There are an estimated 400.000 Brits in France alone!

http://www.britishinfrance.com/

http://www.brits-in-france.net/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_migration_to_France

 

I just read the part about Brits standing with refugees in Calais...

That'll never happen.
Unless you renounce your British Citizenship... If you hold no other citizenship than British, I swear you'd always be allowed into the UK/get deported back to the UK, I swear you're only allowed into the UK regardless if that happened...

I swear that's how that works.

But what I want to know is;

• What would the United States do about their visa waiver agreement with my British passport and citizenship should we exit?

 

AFAIK, the US Visa Waiver Program is by country and not the EU as a whole.

According to this .gov site we do not have a Visa Waiver Program with EU member states: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland, and Romania.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html

 

My thinking is initially nothing. European industry will not want too much upheaval. But they may require renewals, and renew subsequently fewer, while trade barriers and customs tolls will go up over time. It'll be harder working across the channel for multinational companies, and will probably see a few pull out of EU / the UK, over an extended period. Cross-Channel investment will slow down.

The question is, will Britain remain (be allowed to remain?) in many other pan-European initiatives? Presumably, there'll be voices for and against in a whole series of other forums.

I know for certain, that most multinational companies with European Works Councils will be expelling their UK representatives, in the event of a Brexit. At the same time, the obligation for having a EWC will remain for any international British company with employees in the EU.

 

Well a couple of millions of Brits do want to live or work in Europe.

What is so bad about the the EU that you would willingly deny your children or grandchildren to have that choice?

That is the question that Anthony Hilton posted in the Evening Standard

 

No, there's so much conspiracy BS about that,

 

Oh aye, here we go with the "think of the kids!" guilt trip attempt.
It doesn't work with me.
You've already stated you live in London, so if you want to live and work in Europe, do it instead instead of trying to have the best of both worlds.
If you can't afford to live in London, then move-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/revealed-top-10-most-affordable-6682299
BTW would that be the same Evening Standard which once sold t-shirts stating "There is no life north of Watford"?! I've already made the point about London thinking the UK starts and finishes there. It's BS.

 

Nothing new in the Brexit arg

So what exactly isn't "little Englander|" about that line of argument.
You haven 't answered the question. What is so bad about the EU that you would want to deny millions of Brits the choice iof living and working in the UK.


Nothing new in this.

One from 1840
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One from 1890s
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Isn't fear of foregin paupers what is fueling Brexit? .

 

Very generous of the EU to give us a bit of our contribution back, thank you EU! Just think what we could afford to pay for if we did not pay any contributions and spent all that money here in the UK.

 

You grasp the idea, stop freedom of movement on a whim. Gives the UK more say who lives here and if that means a few people who want to move\work abroad have to fill in a few forms and jump through a few hoops, small price to pay.

 

I'm sure there are regions within the UK that could use that very same reasoning to justify not contributing to the UK treasury.

 

I am dreading the day Chelsea and Kensington go for Independence. If I lived in Cumbria I would also leave the UK and up the price of water 1000 fold.
There is no limit to the selfishness of those who have got into the lifeboat and then start clubbing the others trying to climb aboard with them.

 

And many large companies, but this is not about not paying tax. Maybe the excitement of getting a bit of what the UK puts in comes back to the UK blinded you with gratitude.

 

There is a big difference between having a right and needing to seek permission. Last year we all celebrated the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta which rather highlighted that. I would far rather have the right to live abroad than as for permission to do so,.particularly when some of my countrymen are doing their damndest to be unpleasant to the neighbours.

When you write that the UK should have more of a say - who do you mean? Who has that say? Who do you,think should not be allowed in?

Immigration is a red herring. Over 50% of immigrants to the UK are from outwide the UK and the current government who have spawned the leaders of Brexit have thus far failed to make any impact on net migration.

Britian needs lots of young immigrants., We , like the rest of Europe, have too many old people and need more young people to pay tax. Our health service, care system and agriculture would collapse without immigrant labour. I went to a networking event at a office hub last week and say presentations by some of the entrepreneurial businesses near old Street. A large percentage of the people there were form outside the UK and were setting up businesses here. We get a very good deal from immigration.

Xenophobia is an unattractive British trait usually kept in check by the desire to be polite. Brexit has legitimized all manner of rudeness.

 

Isn't it?

Each country's payment is divided into three parts: a fixed percentage of gross national income (GNI), customs duties collected on behalf of the EU (known as "traditional own resources") and a percentage of VAT (Value added ???) income.

GNI is the sum of value added by all resident producers plus any product taxes (less subsidies) not included in the valuation of output plus net receipts of primary income (compensation of employees and property income) from abroad.

Certainly some of the comments in this thread seem to be very focused on economic issues, and the supposed injustice of having to pay more than what is received.

-not in the UK, not really blinded, not really thankful. More bitter, really. But over other things entirely, if you must know.

 

Apart from the fact I'm not effing English, you mean?!

That's because:
1) I'm not answerable to you in the first place.
2) I'm not "denying" anyone anything just because I dare to have a different opinion to yours.