Great Britain makes peace with Hitler in 1940

But the Japanese could never match up to the American war machine once it got in full swing even on a complete one on one, but other then that your whole posts just second what I have said Britain would undoubtfully be brought into the war one way or another.

 

I know, that's the whole point of my post - to illustrate that WWII without British intervention in some shape or form, would not be possible.

 

Just to this mate :Bombing raids on Australia WW2

NT
Darwin = 64+ seperate bombing raids
Katherine = 1 raid
Wnydham= 2 raids
Derby= 1 raid
Broom= 4 raids
Port Hedland= 1 Raid

QLD
Cairns wa bombed once
Townsville 3 seperate raids

NSW
Sydney shelled from Japanes Midget Submarine with 21 casualities
as well as Newcastle

 

No doubt the British would deploy most the Royal Navy in Asia if Japan expanded and send extra troops but I doubt very much they would go to war to defend the Dutch East Indies and the USA having just made peace in Europe.
Britain could quite easly of avoided war on it's door step Sweden and Spain managed too.

 

Churchill wasnt elected PM in 1940 he was just second choice of the Conservative party and King after Lord Halifax turned it down.
Italy wouldnt have dared take on the British Empire had we not been at war with Germany.

 

Yes Australia is not invaded as the scenario says.

 

Sweden and spain were not super powers who needed to show there power in arms races and conflicts, britain need to sport her dominance if she was to keep her overseas provinces going, and again I don't think that the RN would be deployed to Asia in mass they would have thought about the British Isle firstly and lastly.

If you were the PM of Britain would you risk leaving Britain undefended against Germay after Germany has taken control and invaded virtually all of the European countries and gained control of all there resoureces and there limited man power?

 

The Australians would end Imperialial neautrality if they allowed in American troops so no doubt they would refuse.
With the main portion of the Royal Navy in the area Australia would have no worry from the Japs.

 

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But your scenario is completely changing the face of ww2 as we know it and therefore it is not based of ww2 but your fantasy ww2, none of the countries in your scenario are behaving anything like those of the real ww2.

 

But Halifax didnt have the power to entertain peace offers then as Churchill was Prime Minister.

Halifax stated in June that "we should look at any peace offer made by Germany" to Churchill but Churchill refused to look at any.

 

You seem almost desperate to have Britain come into the war.
Cant you manage without us?

My time line has got to the stage where American production will just come into things by the end of 1943 the Americans have the fleet again to match the Japanese and take maybe take back Hawaii.

 

It's very possible in 3 simple ways

1. Baldwin stayed on as PM.
2. Chamberlain offered no Polish guarantee.
3. Lord Halifax accepted the role as PM.

 

Britain had over 900 warships.
The Germans about 30.
It's hardly going to be undefended thats not even mentioning the RAF.

 

Which specific country do you refer to?

 

It is not a matter of needing or not needing Britain it is a fact that Britain played a scondary role in the D-day landings to the Americans.

But your timeline is made up out of blue no real facts, just you adding what every comes together, Hawaii never would have been lost look how far the Japanese would have had to operate from home bases to even attemp such an amphibious assualt they would be sitting ducks to any american warship.

 

anyone else feel like they are :deadhorse:?

 

with every reply I have done since the first reply post, this is going no where.

 

The British rely on convoys for supplies they would never lower down escorts and home fleets and how many of those 900 warships were capital ships and not just screens? you need the Infantry and tanks to stop an advance.

Which countreis?
Japan- why arnt they invading all of the south pacifc this time?
Italy - Expansion into North Africa?

 

I've read the replies since my last post here and I reckon this thread is quickly reaching the point of being locked. It's done nothing but provide a breeding-ground for hostility, as well as some interesting and thought-provoking arguments, which I have enjoyed reading (thanks for the information about air-raids on Australia, Tom, that was very enlightening!! ) I don't see that contributing to this thread much more will accomplish anything.

B/E's Britishless WWII is based upon theory and not upon facts such as alternate dates for attacks, proposed battles that were called off, and such-like. To quote Sherlock Holmes:

"It is capital mistake to theorise without facts. Insensibly, one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to fit facts".

In other words, that one should work with known information and base their beliefs or conclusions on that, and not on stuff that not only did not happen, but also was not even thought of.