If you want to make an A-bomb that requires alot of resources and information. Actually I think you could cause the amount of trouble you wish with the simple "dirty" bomb i.e. some explosives + radioactive waste. It might not light up as nicely as an A-bomb but definitely nobody lives in that area for a while. I suppose it´s kinda the Ferrari of military world to have the A-bomb. I´m happy that nobody has used the dirty bomb and hope nobody ever will.
Well i think Red barron and Richard was right on the money, iraq was one of the most secular countrys of the middle east invading was a bad idea how ever you look at it. Saddam was a tyrant i agree but with the abuse and repression that goes on in saudi arabia i think it is a little rich for the Americans to get on there high horse about human rights and democracy in the middle east when they are openly supporting some dictatorships that are pro-american and invading others that are not.
In are case there must have been something in it for our corrupt government to invade Iraq and may be Iran? You don’t see our government sending British troops to Zimbabwe why because there is nothing for them.
You have seen our governments send troops to impoverished natioins. Somalia is an example, so are Kosovo and the other Balkan areas the UN went into. When there is more at stake for our nations the response is larger, faster and more extensive, but we have gone other places. As for Iran having a nuclear weapon only as a bluff. Do not underestimate your ability to misunderstand the capabilities of a fundamentalist. I am sure I don't understand the use of explosives strapped to your chest as a weapon. It does not stop them. To use a nuclear weapon on Israel would not be unthinkable. I would not say it is certain, but the players in Iran don't have the same rule book, that is one of the most dangerous things about them. Their motivations are not the same so it is hard to work with them to moderate a situation.
At the moment the Iran leaders are just using their mouths in a battle of words, but one day there will be leaders who will stop yapping and start a war with Israel and loose. They are so short sighted they can not see that fact.
you must also realize what is underground in Iran as well as in Iraq and in Israel, Syria, etc. all sorts of neat little secrets. do not be so surprised if you wake up one morning hearing or reading that Israel has popped Iran's Nuclear facilities and there are at least 6 sites being investigated at present
Baron- VERY well said. VERY VERY VERY well said. And I'm a full blooded American- and almost fully share your views on Iraq and the Bush administration and it's hand in furthering along the current climate of hatred we see. Who knows what the picture would be like in the Middle East right now if Iraq wasn't being occupied by 100,000+ US soldiers? Those boys are just good soldiers trying their best to do a good job of following orders, but the reasons (or lack thereof) and the motives to send them there... Just beacuse the majority here espouse one point of view, don't believe it represents everyone from the states. (going to duck out after this post... the free-fire zone here can be an unsafe place once religion or politics comes into play...)
Oh come on Crazy ! You getting soft in your old age ? You used to be a Revolutionary. Say something bizaar just to keep the thread hot.
TA- that gave me a great laugh! And it's marriage, not old age It does seem- at least in some arenas- that being even slightly to the left can get one called "revolutionary", and I guess even "bizarre". But I did feel the inclination to respond to RedBaron's post. The Bush administration at this point is really nothing more than a political joke. Scandal, rampant lies and misinformation, unrepentant warmongering... Far from "all Americans" agree with the war in Iraq or the reasons for it. Tho you have to admire the whole "WMDs are there, they are just hidden" line of thinking... We could go over the entire country with a fine tooth comb, turn over every rock, look in every single house- and some would still come up with "explanations" as to where these mythical WMDs are. Next we hear, they'll be hidden by Saddam's agents in the lost continent of Atlantis. Seriously, people have pictures of them... (is that any better? )
Crazy, you are correct, who knows what the pictures would be like now if we had not deposed Hussain? Life is unpredictable that way. The fundamentalists in the middle east may have just kept upon their peace-loving fundamentalist path, not bothering anyone and having not a care or enemy in the whole wide world. Without the thorn of U.S. incursion into their holy lands they may have even ignored an insignificant cartoon in a foreign paper. Without the U.S. presence in the middle east I am sure there would be no muslim terrorists giving allah a bad name. I don't think that would be the case. As I said earlier, something has to moderate these absolutist views for this kind of hate-mongering to come to an end. I don't know what that will be. I hope that the removal of a despotic regieme and the introduction of some self-determination into the region will do that. I also hope that the civilized countries of the world can find a way to furnish our gluttonous power needs without middle eastern oil and we can forget about these backward holligans and let them languish into obscurity while they try to figure out a way to market the only other thing they have, sand.
you suck Crazy ! this has nothing to do with Christian fundamentalists but with evil hordes that want to see every Gentile and this whole forum board DEAD. sounds severe but true. Seen it first hand boyz. Think before anyone esle gets cocked out of whack, go take a visit to the present mid-east and you'll see what I mean. the anti-americanism started long before Bush was on board as pres. elevated maybe thanks to the liberal news media that is warped and cracked as an old apple pie left for the birds to devour.........sorry that sounds lame.
Interesting ! A few of the opinions here sound very much like they could be from the school of Neville Chamberlain. When Hitler and his supporters could have been removed with "relative" ease, Europe did not have the guts nor the will to do it. And we all know what resulted. What is the count? 50 million dead? Christian fundamentalists do not kidnap and behead innocent people. They do not make war on women and children. To imply that they are "springing up" and somehow controlling America is beyond absurd. The present administration was put into power, wisely or not, because the majority of the electorate believed they were a better choice than the opposition. Twice! As for the mysterious weapons, I am always amused when I read posts that howl about the "missing" weapons. The people who believe that there are no weapons and constantly parrot that viewpoint are completely naive, willing believers of tyrants like Hussein, Ahmadinejad, and Hitler. Just perfect disciples of appeasement
You are sounding better Crazy ! We should blame Iraq on the British. If they had kept them in line like they did in the 19th and 20th century then none of this would have happened ! Three jeers for the British ! (send all hate mail to CrazyD)
Crazy what have you been smokin again .....reply to your "mythical" wmd's or what the hell you guys want to call them. proof is they are there and in Syria, enough said, I know the boyz that have seen them. will leave this now alone for security reasons ......and I may edit later Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. time to rip it up
"security reasons"? And I'm the one smoking something? The tinfoil hat strapped on tight enough, Erich? As much fun as this little sojourn has been, the time when people are openly advocating genocide and religous/racial warfare is the time I exit the free fire zone. My views just aren't quite as far to the "Knight Templar Right" as the prevailing winds in here. Cheers! (btw- Erich, don't smoke anything anymore... gave that habit up. It interfered with my beer consumption too much- gotta have priorities, my man!) [ 21. February 2006, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: CrazyD ]
Crazy brings up Genocide. I am not an advocate of this as a solution, but I have some honest questions. Would the views of the muslim fundamentalists be considered genocidal? Is the failure to believe in their interpretation of their values a mortal crime? If it is does that place the entire world on their chopping block? Is their hatred of the Zionists only because they were thrust upon them by the British between wars? Does their desire to erradicate the Zionist state of Israel constitute a genocidal aim? When two sects within the muslim religion fight how do they justify their conflict? (This point is one of the primary reasons I see this all as a simple power struggle, with religion used as a means to an end, more power) I honestly don't know the answers to these.
