HARVARD & THE HOLOCAUST

See post 10 of today .:The Nazis first tried deportation to Madagascar and Palestine,they also tried sterilization then segregation and only then did the Wannsee Conference decide on the "final solution of the Jewish problem..........

It seems that the author of this post has bad memory .

This sentence is incomplete and wrong .

Incomplete : the following is missing : before the Wannsee Conference,the Einsatzgruppen were systematically exterminating the Jews in the occupied territories of the SU .

Wrong : the Wannsee Conference decided NOTHING;it did not decide on the final solution of the Jewish problem : the final solution (= extermination of the Jews) started already on 22 june 1941.

 

Professor Seymour Itzkoff : The holocaust was the very antithesis of eugenic practice .

 

"Eugenics" has been part of the human condition throughout its history and is still with us today. A Spartan would put a sickly or ugly infant out in the field for the foxes and ravens. An Eskimo would put the same infant out on an ice flow. Many native American tribes simply stopped feeding or housing old people at a certain point and let old man winter solve the problem. Merry old England shoved their excess population onto boats to the antipodes or the Americas. In the US we exported freed blacks to Liberia in the late 19th century. I wonder if the witch hysteria in the middle ages wasn't simply a way to rid a village of widows or other nonproductive citizens? And even today in China, female infants have a horrific death rate because only males are seen as future contributors to the family well being. Females are often starved or covertly smothered to death.

Well before the term Eugenics was coined, 18th century "scientists" on both sides of the Atlantic were recording features and even bumps on the skull as showing criminal or non-social tendencies and pushing for legislation against racial groups.

In short, Eugenics is nothing new. It's always been around. The Nazis simply codified it, with horrific results.

 

LJAd,

You do realize that the Pioneer Fund has been trying to deny the eugenic connection with the Holocaust since they were exposed as Nazi sympathizers. Look up the founder of the Pioneer Fund, Wycliffe Draper. Draper went to that 1935

Itzkoff wrote for Mankind Quarterly, which has been thoroughly renounced by the scientific community precisely because it kept pushing for eugenics after The Holocaust. I don't think you can Google "Mankind Quarterly", or "The Pioneer Fund", or "Wycliffe Draper" and come across a positive review, other than in white supremacist circles. They are almost universally reviled.

Draper not only was one of the major benefactors of the American Eugenics Society and the American eugenicists that helped write the Nuremberg Decrees, but also bankrolled the white-supremacists in Mississippi during the 1960s. Google the Wall Street Journal article by Douglas A Blackmon for Draper's history. Google Harry H. Laughlin, the eugenicist he sponsored whose work the Nuremberg Laws were largely based upon.

I mean.....you are basically quoting one of the most famous Holocaust deniers as your source for an interpretation on the history of The Holocaust!!!!

 

KodiakBeer,

Eugenics was known as "Stirpiculture" in the utopian-socialist experiments in the United States. Google John Humphrey Noyes and you will see the first systematic and scientific eugenic experiment.

Yes, the Spartans and Plato were some of the original sources, but even Darwinian scholars will tell you that "scientific racism" took off by unprecedented magnitudes once the Theory of Evolution was used to rank the races per their evolutionary value.

 

To give you and idea of the connection between Wycliffe Draper, the Pioneer Fund, Harry H. Laughlin and the Nazis:

1.) The movie Erbkrank was produced by Hitler's propaganda machine to justify the T4 Euthanasia Program. The Pioneer Fund bought copies of it, subtitled it, and started distributing it to American high-schools and colleges.

2.) In 1933, Harry H. Laughlin, one of the founders of the Pioneer Fund, published articles endorsing the Nuremberg racial decrees, well, because Alfred Ploetz, Ernst Rudin, Erwin Fischer, and Ottmar von Vershuer, his colleagues in the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations had used his "Model Eugenical Law" to draft the Nuremberg Decrees. Google "Eugenical News" and you will see the extent to which this Draper funded journal supported the Nazis.

3.) Laughlin received advanced copies of the laws so he could do so. There are letters from Dr. Ruttke and Dr. Frick asking him to collaborate in such fashion still held at Truman University Archives. Gooogle Laughlin + Truman + Ruttke if you don't believe me.

4.) Draper and Dr. Clarence Campbell were the ones that went to that 1935 Population Congress in Berlin where Campbell ended his lecture with a stiff armed "Heil Hitler!!" after praising the eugenics of the Nazis.

5.) Dr. Karl Brandt, one of the Nazis hung at Nuremberg, had his lawyer submit a copy of the 1927 Buck v. Bell case that made Harry H. Laughlin's "Model Eugenic Law" legal in the United States. Brandt's lawyer submitted it as evidence that Nazi scientists like him had collaborated with and had the support of American scientists. Don't believe me. Dr. Paul Lombardo writes about this in his book "Three Generations, No Imbeciles".

 

So, why blame Harvard?

In the late 1700's phrenology was used and codified in the same way, and also used by the Nazi's. Bumps on the head could indicate undesirable traits or racial characteristics according to the pseudoscience of the era..

It's all the same thing.

 

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

KodiaBeer,

Why Harvard? Well because they didn't just sympathize. If you want the full reasons, then I suggest you read the article that this post was based on.

So, aside from A.) writing the books that Hitler called his "bible", B.) sitting in Hitler's eugenic courts, C.) doing the propaganda for the Nazis abroad, D.) and working in Buchenwald and directly collaborating in the crimes.....

1.) The Eugenics Records Office was headed up by Charles Davenport and Harry H. Laughlin. It was funded by Rockefeller, Carnegie, and two private funds, one of which was Wycliffe Draper (See above). The Eugenics Records Office was the head of the International Federation of Eugenic Organizations. It did the majority of the research, and most importantly WROTE THE MODEL LAWS that were adopted in the United States and later translated verbatim by their Rudin, Ploetz, Ruttke, Frick, Verscheur, and Fischer.....the architects of Nazi eugenics.... in order to draft the 1933 Nuremberg Decrees. (See above post about Karl Brandt presenting US eugenic case law as evidence in Nuremberg)

2.) The Immigration Restriction League was the creation of Harvard elites, one of which was Davenport, which also wrote the American immigration laws that kept so many Jews from reaching the safety of US shores during the Holocaust. Harry H. Laughlin (see above posts) was appointed as the "expert eugenicists" for the US Congress that passed the 1924 Immigration Restriction Act.

In other words, Harvard professors and graduates had a significant hand in the writing of the eugenic laws in Nazi Germany, implementing them in the Nazi courts, and the writing of the laws in the US that high ranking Nazis copied as well as kept Jews from reaching safety. They heavily influenced both sides of the Atlantic at crucial moments. You cannot write a complete history of The Holocaust without addressing these points.

 

KodiakBeer,

I guess you could also blame Francis Galton, which formalized eugenics as a science, but..... he was dead by the time all of this happened. I am writing about people who actively sought out the Nazis, and whom the Germans intentionally looked for help from. They went way beyond just agreeing with the Nazis. They aided and abetted in any way they could, and probably most importantly, their international reputations as respected scientists shielded the Nazis from criticism when the 1933 and 1935 Nuremberg Decrees were implemented.

 

Also, in case you think you are defending Americans ..... well, I have read their personal correspondence. There is a common thread amongst these eugenicists. They were Progressives leaning on socialists. They had a pronounced hatred for "laissez-faire democracy" and/or the notion of "equal protection under the law". They hated the idea of the "American Melting Pot". They were heavily elitists and continually made references to "the days" when the United States was more like an "aristocracy".

Harry H. Laughlin wanted a one-world government that voided the 2nd Amendment and the notion of "equality before the law"....well, because he knew that people that carried guns were less likely to submit themselves to segregation or sterilization.

 

I guess I didn't make my point clear enough: Stop being so confrontational. I am tired of seeing your posts hawking your book or other books that support your conspiracy theory or that illustrate your convuluded web of culpability for the Holocaust.

So knock it off.

 

You're barking up the wrong tree. We might also bring up Margaret Sanger and a dozen other leftist academics and activists in related fields. What I and others here are trying to tell you is that none of this was happening in a vacuum. It wasn't born in America and exported to Germany - everybody was kicking these ideas around and for a very long time. History isn't a row of dominoes where one move is the direct cause of the next.

The Nazi genocide (let's call it what it is) was just a particularly virulent and soulless implementation of a rather twisted bunch of theories. Oddly, Goebbels himself, a proponent of these theories, might be aborted today because prenatal care would reveal his club-foot. There are a million western women who would abort an infant with a such a deformity today. It is still out there.

 

So, you weren't accepted to Harvard and now you want to get even?

correction:

So, you weren't accepted to Harvard and now you want to get even.

 

KodiakBeer,

I will answer your post, since the other posts as of late are moronic. (there, that was inflammatory. what I was saying before was just history)

Yes, Margaret Sanger believed in a sort of eugenics. Her deputy Fredric Osborn was also a member of the Pioneer Fund, and he changed the name from American Birth Control to Planned Parenthood precisely to avoid the connection in the 1970s.

No, none of this happened in a vacuum. No, it did not start in Harvard or the United States. I replied to your post by agreeing that Plato and the Spartans believed in a form of eugenics, as well as posting that Francis Galton, a Briton, was the one who invented the science.

So how does this either excuse or erase what these Ivy Leaguers did to aid and collaborate with the Nazis?????

By the way, this is mainline Holocaust history. I think Edwin Black's "War Against the Weak" was a best seller for almost a year around the world, and he covers much of the same stuff. The B.S. that somehow what I wrote about is an obscure or cobbled together conspiracy theory confirms my observation that some of the posters are completely clueless about the subject. (There, that was inflammatory as well, but provoked)

 

I am not quotong a Holocaust Denier: I am quoting S.Itzkoff,a Jewish professor, who said that the Holocaust was the antithesis of eugenic practice.

Churchill, G.B. Shaw,etc, were supporting eugenics. That does not mean that they supprted the nazis and the Holocaust,as you are insinuating .

 

I see that Edwin Black has reappeared : I expected that one should use this muckraker.

 

I expected this one : the one-world government : the usual BS about progressive elitists from the Ivy League leaning on socialists that wanted deprive people of their right to carry guns . And,after a few posts more, will appear : the invisible government, the Rockefeller Foundation,etc,all these mysterious evil institutins that are conspiring to enslave the Americans ..

Wycliffe Draper: the progressive leaning on socialists : as I expected,the thread becomes more and more surrealist.

 

So how does this either excuse or erase what these Ivy Leaguers did to aid and collaborate with the Nazis?????




By the way, this is mainline Holocaust history.



I think

1)I like to see the proof that the Ivy Leaguers were aiding and collaborating with the Nazis

2) No : it is a witchhunt

3) Did you ?

4) Conclusion : the days of the junior senator of Wisconsin are back :

Joe said : Smith had a beer with Miller,the brother-in law of Miller was reading before the war a communist newspaper; thus : let's lock up Smith in Singsing .

Now,we have : Itzkoff is pro eugenics. Adolf was pro eugenics.Thus : Itzkoff is a nazi .

I have an other one : Adolf was against smoking,the former mayor of New York was against smoking :thus : pillory him .