Appleman's "East of Chosin" is a very good, but very depressing book. If you were to make a list of everything a unit can do wrong, failure of leadership, poor planning, poor execution, lack of discipline, lack of situational awareness, failure to pay attention to detail, Inadequate training in basic skills and tactics, poor unit cohesion, atrocious tactical employment and just plain incompetance, Task Force McLean/Faith exhibited them all.
I thought I saw where they received an award years and years after the battle....it was on a youtube documentary I was watching on the battle...RTC 31 would be a great thread...... it said the Marines had mucho pancakes and syrup at Hagaru ri.....and I would think lots of coffee! with the weather as it was, hot coffee would be a big pick up in morale and physically..... Karjala--I started drinking 'not hot' coffee on ship....I would be first in line for chow, because I would just read my books....nothing else to do at that time...I'd get a coffee, and .eventually the heat was gone....I'm sure a lot of military coffee is not the best...but better than nothing....I do recall one time on ship, it tasted horrible
If you're interested in it start one in the appropriate area, I'll participate. I've recently, within the last 6 months, read two additional books one Chinese and one by a US author using Chinese archives that give the Chinese perspective (plus East of Chosin, Escaping the Trap, the official Army History, probably 30 more on the campaign or the overall history of the war). They got the award after years of pushing for recognition by their veterans group, and eventually got some congressional support. It doesn't change the fact that their own shortcomings and incompetence led to their destruction. In our current PC world it's not polite to point that out. Yes they did serve, yes many died in service to their country, they do deserve to be honored for their sacrifice, but that doesn't change the fact that they performed extremely poorly. They don't deserve to be included along with the units that performed heroically.
I'm starting some books on the Chinese entering the war aspect...also , I hope to post soon a map of where my father was wounded and get members input on plausible scenarios...yes, that sounds good .......if you want to or I will start one.....
In my day job, I work in construction. Rarely do I get sent to a site without a kettle or, that keg of hot water or that hot water tap (like boiling hot from the tap it requires it's own warning sign); for tea, noodles or soup.. Notice how I said tea? - It's odd in construction to not have tea or coffee on site; and that's alright; fore construction can be cold so, a hot drink is great just for keeping you warm. Once donned a kimono and took part in a traditional tea ceremony at the Embassy of Japan in London in 2004. Served cake by geishas as they prepared the powdered green tea; was frothy - I came close to madness trying to find a green tea like that on British soil, sure we have 'Japanese Green Tea'.. - but it's like green and water by comparison.
This is why I've taken to drinking warm water now when I eat. http://mamabee.com/how-to-improve-your-digestion-by-ditching-these-3-habits/
In a hot country tea and coffee are served in small cups - shots of espresso or small glasses of sweet chai. Italian Cappuccino's are for breakfast. You get bigger cups in Germany and mugs of tea and coffee in Britain, the USA and other countries with a cultural link to the UK.
I love going to north west Washington, best coffee in the world and these kiosks all over the place. KTK
In some mid eastern countries they drink their tea through a sugar cube held between their front teeth. That and chewing betel does wonders for the smile. KTK
our sister company sells coffee machines....this one in the picture goes for $15,000...I've got a cup of mocha I just got from a machine here that cost almost $22,000 !!
Actually hot tea does quench thirst. See ho the Turks love it for example. I have tried it and it works.
Yes surprisingly tea does quench thirst even in hot weather, I am sure some academic somewhere can explain how.Never found other hot drinks to have the same effect.
what? sounds 'off', wierd, ........ isn't it ''unpleasant'' to have hot drink in your mouth in hot weather......? negative
A hot drink in summer does not feel unpleasant just like a cool beer in winter does not feel unpleasant. I guess it is just a matter of what you are used to.