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How did the Mk. 16 6"/47 guns achieve their high rate of fire?

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    When firing, these weapons were described as being equivalent to a 6" 'machine gun;' for example, during a firing trial in the late 30's, USS Savannah(CL-42) was reported to have fired an astounding 138 rounds in under a minute, truly impressive guns, and as a result, light cruisers were found to be more effective in the close range night battles of Guadalcanal and the Solomons than heavy cruisers. So, what made their prodigious rof possible?
     
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    It isn't the ultimate referance but navweapons is a good place to start on this sort of question. SEe:
    http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_6-47_mk16.htm
    One clue is in the first paragraph:
    and later on:
    Since Savannah was a Brooklyn class she had 15 guns and their rate of fire is listed as 8-10 rounds per minute which suggest she should have been capable of firing 120-150 rounds per minute so 138 is certainly reasonable.

    If we look at the British equivalant http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_6-50_mk23.htm
    we find:
    Yet it's rate of fire isn't much less at 6-8 rounds per minute.

    Looking at the Japanese equivalant (rated at 5-6 RPM) http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_61-60_3ns.htm
    It's also worth noteing that the US 5"/38 was rated at 15-22 rounds per minute but the HMS Dehli managed to get 25 during trials with hers. See http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-38_mk12.htm
     
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    I'm curious if our heavy cruisers could have achieved a higher rate of fire if they used the same loading system, and made them more effective in night battles?
     
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    With the same system, it would be very doubtful. The only increase in 8-inch RoF was with the introduction of the "automatic" loading system of the last heavy cruisers, the Des Moines class. It also cane at a great increase in turret weight, the Des Moines' turrets were about 50% heavier than those on the Baltimore class - 451 tons vs. 303 tons.

    You would also have took look at how fast the shell and charge hoists could move their respsective cargo from the magazine to the turret - this is what hampered the firing rates of the Japanese Mogami class.
     
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    In regards to that Houston apparently exceeded the spec for 8" rate of fire early in the Battle of the Java Sea.
    http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_8-55_mk9.htm
    Contains this somewhat cryptic note:
    I suspect that adopting the superheavy rounds wouldn't have improved the rate of fire without substantial changes.
    This link gives at least something of a description of the Des Moines class guns:
    http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_8-55_mk16.htm
     
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    NavWeps is definitely a good site to learn about the technical details of ship-borne weaponry.
     
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    I had heard that auto load systems increased turret weight, an unfortunate consequence for enabling heavier caliber vessels to shoot faster.
     

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