Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Skipper, Mar 6, 2013.
Just heard it on the news
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez dies at 58 - World - CBC News
Hope there will not be another civil war there in Venezuela. Anyway, R.I.P. Hugo.
As Za Rodinu mentioned over at WW2Talk, we should speak good of the dead.
Hugo Chavez is dead. Good.
Quiz: Once upon a time there was a man who served in the military when he was young. He was was not happy with his local politicians and was into some kind of socialism. Therefore he attempted a coup d'état. He failed and went to prison. He grew quite popular and deciced to get to power through an election and he won. Progressively he gained support by reducing poverty in his country and by using others as scape goats. He also became friends with famous dictactors. He hated European democracies and the USA . His name was........... (ps: it's not the little Austrian fellow)
No matter what we think, its his own folk in his own country that either support, don't support, renevate or want to renovate him even...His words and deeds unless affecting us are not the same as his words and deeds to his own people...There are many western leaders I would gladly see the back of in a nano instant and not grieve one iota over their last breath too.
I remember that infamous speech he made at the UN, the "Bush is the devil" speech. I wonder if he is smelling sulfur now ?
Good old Duce....A hero of Lenin at one time...Invented the word facism. Devils come from both sides of the political track. They all die.
The late Mr. Chavez played to his crowd and after a failed overthrow, was elected. If a leader is elected in an honest election, so be it.
The late Mr. Chavez...
Hugo amassed 2 billion dollars in office. His cronies amassed similar amounts. Meanwhile, electricity is rationed and water and sewage in the capital city have failed - you can't get water or flush a toilet for much of the time in the capital city. Keep in mind, that this is a state rich with oil, but all of that money is being siphoned off or wasted on ridiculous schemes.
Is he popular? Yes. But it's not hard to be popular when all oppositions newspapers have been shut down and opponents murdered or imprisoned.
Then of course there's his dealings with narco terrorist that had negative impacts not only on other countries but his own as well.
How popular he was is another question. The poor were certainly fooled into thinking him their champion but he essentially destroyed the previously fairly sizeable middle class of his country.
Good riddance, but he has a younger even more stringent socialist/communist VP waiting in the wings....
They aren't socialists, they're just thugs blathering socialism while they rob the state.
Let's try another quiz:
I have noticed that certain governments want their population to have special love-hate point of view on the following countries: Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Venezuela.
I wonder why?
violation of human rights
Hint: only one answer is correct this time.
Disclaimer: my intention wasn't to offend anyone but to stimnulate reasonable judgement.
I read somewhere today that his net worth when he died was around two billion. That's billion...with a "b."
Then he was a great socialist: he fought very well for his own social justice in the first place.
Unfortunately, many "democratic" or "socialist" governments today deserve to be named properly: kleptocracy - the rule of thieves. For example: in my country there is a government crisis because the leaders of two the largest parties were involved in corruption scandals. They have the same problem like Al Capone: they cannot explain the origin of their money. The third candidate is involved in plagiarism scandal over her M. Sc. thesis!
Here's a damning statistic. Hugo is praised by the left for helping the poor, but the currency (the Bolivar) is down 66% just since 2008, while the rate of inflation has run at 23% since he took office 14 years ago. How does that help the poor man when every year his salary buys less? If a Bolivar bought a pound of frijoles in 1999, it will now take take ten or twenty Bolivars to buy those beans.
One news source points out that the main hospital in Caracas is shut down, simply because it has no water. You have free medical care, but no hospital to provide that care because the infrastructure of the nation has collapsed. How can roads, electricity, water, sewage collapse in a tiny nation with vast oil wealth? How can the national debt rise to incredible heights in a tiny nation with vast oil wealth? Hugo blames the Jews and the International banks.
This isn't just bad management, it's wholesale plunder.
Well he also bought some very expensive weapons that he really didn't need. I don't think his military was capable of keeping most of them functional either....
Another triumph of form over substance, which pretty well defines the man and his regime.