Human catastrophe

Is there a vet available to put this thread down humanely?

 

I think we passed that point back around page 5.

 

Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it any more truthful.

 

Just by the law of averages one would think you would get something right more often than you do. Primary responsibility for WWII lies with the Nazis, the governement of Japan, and the governement of the USSR. The main victims at least by numbers of dead would be the Soviets and the Chinese. A lot of Germans were victims as well though.

For most of that period they were offered very little in exchange for giving up pretty much everything. Why give up your claims if you are still going to be in an refugee camp.

Well both Israel and Egypt could have prevented that couldn't they? That they chose to give up control over Gaza was at least in part due to pressure from other countries as well. I don't see how you can put sole blame on the Palestinians. Indeed to many of them Hamas looked like a better option than the PLO and that was essentially the only other option available to them. Some of the blame is on there heads but they certainly don't deserve all of it.

 

They could have left Gaza, they did not and thus they showed their solidarity with Hamas, thus they had no reason to complain when Gaza was attacked by the Israelian air force : they chose to follow Hamas inconditionally (even today they do not desert Hamas)and as the Germans who chose to follow Hitler inconditionally, they have no reason to play the victim .They refuse to admit the existence of Israel and their message to the 6 million Israelian Jews is still : the valise or the coffin .And meanwhile,instead of putting their shoulders to the wheel and transform Gaza in a flourishing settlement (as did the Jews with Israel) they prefer to sponge on the costs of the others (what have they done with all these billions they have received?) and to blame the whole world for the misfortune they brought over themselves(as still are doing a lot of Germans).

 

Guys, you think you are right just because you outnumber LJAD and use a wolf-pack tactics against him, sometimes rude. Yet, LJAD is more often right than all of you three together.

 

So, basically your saying that the Israelis are giving the Palestinians a choice...the valise or the coffin. Leave or die. You defend the Israelis on this, yet are critical of the Palestinians when you say that they are giving the Israelis the same choice...Double standard much?

Seems that Palestinian support of Hamas is not as "unconditional" as LJAd would have us presume
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/arabs/palprotectivepoll.html

Israeli combat actions in Gaza seem to have been counterproductive.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/09/israel-empowered-not-weakened-ha-20149710346834823.html

As I said, earlier, that is the same choice that the Israelis have given to them. Leave or Die.

Well, let's see.

What happens when the Palestinians put their shoulders to the grindstone. Israel blows up their buildings.





The Palestinians build their buildings and the Israelis knock them down...Yes, while the Palestinian construction business is booming, no progress will be made towards becoming a flourishing settlement, until the Israelis stop knocking down Palestinian buildings. So you see that the Israeli attacks run quite counter towards the Palestinian settlements becoming "flourishing".

Question: What have they done with all the billions they have received?
Answer: Constructed more "targets" for the Israelis to knock down.

The Palestinians should be charging the IDF for all of this "target practice." But, if they did that Israel would be broke...Bankrupt...Tapped out.

 

Oh, I don't think he is right, but that has nothing to do with the numbers of other members against him...

Just because he manages to annoy several people all in one go does not imply that wolfpack tactics are being used against him. It just means that he has annoyed several people all at once.

As to rudeness. Well, that is usually part and parcel with the territory when one opens his mouth and inserts a shoe store.

Regretfully, this is not born out by facts, results, and/or history.

 

???? I think you have the defintions of right and wrong mixed up. If LJAD is right even 10% of the time I'd be amazed. Takao is just about the inverse of that. I'm not in as much agreement as usual with him on the issue of Israel but given how extreme ljad is on this one it's understandable.

 

Where would they have goine? A refugee camp? Given that once you enter a Palestinian refugee camp the chances of you (and your family) getting out become quite remote why should they? At least in Gaza they have a chance at a life. There has been considerable resistance to Hamas in Gaza as well. They did originally think that Hamas wasn't as corrupt as their former government and took a chance (although Hamas was elected by a minority).

Since you like analogies hows this one. Everyone in the US that doesn't support Obama should have left because by staying they indicate they support Obama. That sounds right doesn't it. Would have worked really well wouldn't it.

For those that want to lump all Muslims in the same basket here's an article that you should read:
http://www.strategypage.com/on_point/20151020213617.aspx

 

Facts:

1)We are at war with radical Islam

2)The average Muslim is counting the goals and is sympathizing with radical Islam

3) As George Bush said : either you are with us,or you are against us .

4) The enemies of the US are also the enemies of Israel

5)The enemies of Israel are also the enemies of the US

6) Europe is invaded by Muslims :their arrival remembers us the arrival of Attila the Hun ;500 years ago they were at the gates of Vienna,now they are back .For the gloating ones in Michigan, Pennsylvania and the White House : your turn will come,sooner than you can imagine .

7) Our only solution is to kick them out :

we can't afford to support them : this year :1.5 million to Germany,who will be followed by their families (6 million) and Germany will collaps .Our social security is collapsing.

we can't trust them : every one of them is a potential terrorist ;there are more than 60 asylum centres in Belgium,and police neither army can guard them .In Slovenia,the government has to use the army .In most big European cities (with big Muslim minorities,who in one generation will be a majority) law and order have collapsed : 80 % of the complaints in Brussels are dismissed by police and justice .

8) Future for our youth is very bleak : impoverishment and criminality

9)We could make ONE exception and allow the entry of those who can prove that they have killed one of the ISIS monsters: ONE dead ISIS monster= ONE year in Europe, 2 = 2 year in Europe . Of course,that will limit the number of "asylum seekers" to a few hundred

10) As the US (brainwashed by the pro Muslim propaganda) are not with us, we must,regretfully,conclude that they are against us,and we must look for the help and protection of some one else : PUTIN,He,at least,knows what is at stake, because,Russia,with 20 % Muslims,is also in the frontline .

11) Unless there is a radical change in the US next year, the result will be that the US will be "kicked out" of Europe .People in Europe have not forgotten the words of Obama in january after the Paris attacks : "it is your own fault, you must treat them better" .

 

Well, that response just shot Tamino's theory all to Hell.

 

Well now let's see.

Falsehoods and half-truths. Fixed that.

We are also at war "on drugs", "on homelessness", "on Cancer.", etc.

Declaring war is the easy part, winning it, is an altogether different matter.

Only in your warped mind. Extremists constitute a very small, but active, minority.

George Bush also declared victory in Iraq, back on May 1, 2003. Further, both he and Rumsfeld declared victory in Afghanistan, back in mid-2003.

Since, you seem think that everyone, including the US, is anti-semitic, that would mean that the US is an enemy of Israel and Israel is an enemy of the US.

Remember, the US is controlled by those Damn Liberals, that you rail so much against.

Hey McFly! Attila the Hun was 1,500 years ago, not 500...

LJAd, from Pennsylvania, my turn has already come...and gone. You see, my ancestors were part of the German immigrants that "invaded" the New World back in the mid-1600's. Thankfully, they were not "kicked out", or else I would not be here.

Regretfully, that is not the solution. That's part of the problem.

Without, them, you soon won't be able to support yourselves with Social Security anyway.

Germany's population has been on a slow and steady decline since, the early-70s, and is projected to fall to 70 million by 2060. So, you can kiss that Social Security Buh-By.

I believe you said it best, "put your shoulder to the wheel"(grindstone). So, kwitcherbitchin, andput that shoulder to the wheel.


I'd love to continue, by work beckons.

 

Which proves that you know NOTHING about Europe : every one of these migrants costs us monthly 1300 euro,they come here,without having worked and having contributed to our social system : they will not work here :there is no work for our own youth,and they are not qualified .


The directly costs for Germany are for ONE year more than 20 billion Euro,when the other 6 million will arrive it will be 100 billion Euro,Germany will collaps and the whole of Europe will collaps and the US will not escape unhurt .

 

And tamino was wondering why you get heckled. Kindly desist from shouting!

Provide evidence for the bigoted statement "They will not work here."


Just goes to show how little you understand about Europe, the continent you claim to live in.

A continent with 503 million inhabitants in the EU, even if we accept your 6 million represents a fantastic amazing increase in population of 1.2%...

The EU budget alone is nearly 145,5 Billion Euro, and then we have the Budgets for the respective member states.

Germany's GDP is more than 3.8 Trillion USD. Unemployment is at 4.5%. Long term unemployment is a mere 2.1%.

Germany spends 32 Billion Euro on Defence alone, and is increasing that by 8 Billion Euro by 2019.

...direct government expenditure on refugees of some €7bn this year and €17bn next year, both in comparison with end-2014. On top of this there are indirect expenses, i.e. those not individually allotted, for example for additional staff in the public sector or public-sector building projects.

"On the basis of what politicians are saying, a further €1.3bn is estimated for this year and €2.7bn in 2016. The total fiscal cost (direct and indirect) would thus reach over €8bn this year and over €19bn next year", added Commerzbank.

Significantly less than what you are spouting about (Direct Cost more than 20 Billion), with providing sources, as usual.

You are off course, proven wrong in any serious study on the issue. TheOECD’s latest “International Migration Outlook”, looks at the fiscal impact of immigrants (defined as the foreign-born) in 27 rich countries. The study draws on household-survey data to make detailed comparisons of immigrants and the native-born in terms of their net direct contribution to the public purse; the difference between what they pay in direct taxes and social-security contributions, and what they receive in benefits.

The study casts light on one big worry—that immigrants are welfare junkies. In fact, their net direct contribution to the public purse is generally positive. The big exception is Germany, which has many foreign-born pensioners who came from Turkey as guest workers in the 1960s and from the former Soviet Union in the 1990s.



Hardly cause for a huge hue and cry, as a % of GDP. And again, the issue isn't immigration itself, but pensioners, and how on Earth Europe is going to pay for them.

 

There is NO work for the migrants,thus they will not contribute to our social security.

The issue is : how on earth Europe is going to support them .They are 10 % in Germany, France, Britain, Belgium,...Why should we play Santa Claus for people who despise us and come here to parasite on our costs ? People do not want them .

 

Germany has 600,000 job vacancies.

And desist from shouting.

 

On 1 september of this year,there were in Germany 2.79 million unemployed= 6.4 % of the active population,the aarival of the migrants will increase this number to more than the double : unemployment will rise to 14 or 15 %.
And to this one must add the millions of women ,old people and children who also will arrive (family reunification) and will have to be supported by the German tax-payer .

 

And 2.78 million of unemployed: your figures were wrong .

Besides,the number of vacancies is irrelevant : even if there were 6 million unemployed,there still would be a lot of vacancies . There always are vacancies .

 

I don't know which threads you have been browsing, but LJAd has consistently used caps (shouting), repeatedly failed to refute statements in a meaningful way (stating "Liberal rubbish" or similar is not constructive), seldom gives sources, never provides a link, has been dismissive of other members, and generally behaves in a very rude manner. You have a rather strange interpretation of events.