If The Axis Had Won the War

I didn't actually mean YOU I meant whoever makes the post. Ok new guidelines. It's June 22, 1940. France has just signed an armistice with Germany. Germany is preparing to attack the UK. What does Germany need to do from here on out in order to win the war. What events would have needed to go in their favor? What will happen once they win the war.

 

My take on this is :
a) Switch the economy to full wartime footing.
b) Make a serious plan to invade Britain (not the bluf of the historical Sealion)
c) Invade Britain, no matter the cost. (Taking Gibraltar is an assisting option)
d) Attack the USSR pretty much the way it historically did and use the power of it's war economy to defeat it.

 

Depends on how you define 'win'.

Lebensraum goal was the Urals to the Atlantic, excluding the British Isles and Middle-east.

The Italians goal was no more than the old Roman Empire.

And Japan denies ever being part of any 'Axis' alliance.
The closest they came to signing a military alliance was 2 mutual defense pacts which still didn't spell out military contribution, just 'come to the aid and support of'.
The first was the same Japan wanted with Britain, a promise to come to eachother's aid if attacked by the Soviet Union.
The second was the same if America started war with Japan in Asia.
Both were on the provision the crisis was unprovoked by the partner.
Both were immediately negated when it was the signatories who initiated hostilities.
Contrary to our propaganda to this very day, Japan was never a member of the 'Axis', there was no such actual alliance. It was a term invented by the Italians refering to the shared longitudinal Axis by Berlin and Rome, definately not Tokyo, though Hitler and Mussolini were often trying to imply Japan was on the verge of joining any moment or were 'epso facto' like the Americans wanted to avoid being accused of by either the British or the Argentines with whom they had defense pacts with both. Ergo, Japan was never a member of the 'Axis'.

If by 'win' you mean total war domination, then even if the Japanese and Europeans don't go at it, then upon Hitler's death, the various continental Gauleiters would declare independence from Berlin just like the break-up of Yugoslvia or more appropriately the Roman Empire.

Then continental and regional factions of Nazi theology go to war with eachother.
Anglo-American(incl Canada, Australia, NZ, S Africa) would declare independence from Berlin and a 'Roman' Civil War might erupt.
The Nazi Party was based too much on a Caesar with too little power to the 'Senates' to keep it together upon Hitler's death.
Again, like Tito in Yugoslavia.
(I am not equating Tito to Hitler, just the political foundation).

 

I would be speaking German and singing "Deutschland Uber Alles" as the Australian National Anthem.

Heil Howard

 

This post is an interesting scenario. The only point I'd like to note is that Lebensraum or any other item of German policy was flavour of the moment, it was whatever suited Hitler at the moment, not set in stone as an item of long term policy.

 

Didn´t Hitler actually demand some old German colonies back at one time. Forgot if he remembered those later on at all, then again he was conquering the whole world so perhaps no need to.

 

I'd be disappointed if I had to learn German in Canada... I bet two provinces to the right.. in the place called Quebec. Quebec would probably lead a civil war to the last man, they don't sit too well with outsiders ;P

 

Agreed!!

 

The frogs in Quebec would have capitulated as easily as their bretheren in France, qeu sera sera.

 

Oh, great, more French bashing, followed by a misquoted Italian expression

 

If the Axis had won the war, then perhaps we would be having a similar discussion in a " What if the Allies had won the war" thread?

 

I would like to return to the conditions of victory topic.

If we assume that Britian accepted peace terms is this victory or does Russia have to be fought? What about America. I am hesitante to exclude Russia as Hitler hated them and a fight was eminent either way but I dont know if Hitler would have tried to fight the US if Britain was out of the War.

 

What year might we be talking about here?

 

Cheeky bastard ain't i.

Cheers.