Iraq

slon is that combined Turks/Kurds already in this mess? Seems last call the Kurds want a free state which would occupy portions of southern Turkey according to some sources biased for the Kurds

 

Sorry, the casualties listed are only for US.


I think Turkey has suffered something like 20,000 in the last 30 years??

 

I heard it was more like 30.000 , Kerem could tell us . Alos from the latest news I have no information about any Turkish retaliation. However troops are moving to the border and the 8 prisonners are possibly hidden on Turkish territory.

 

Been monitoring the news wires and saw that Turkish overflights into Iraqi terrority have been made. It's a really tricky military-political sitch.

 

ok , so they flew accross the border but did not fire yet. Thanks for the update.

 

Just heard that there were NO US casualties in Iraq this week, this is GREAT news!!!

 

I heard on the news this morning that most Iraqis feel safer with US troops on the ground-and are usually happy to single out suspected insurgents.

 

Yes Skip, it is 30.000 in total, however that includes civilians and PKK members too.Military loss is not more than 5000.

I read that yesterday or the day before Turkish Army ambushed and surrounded 50+ PKK members and killing 30 of them. They were about to attack a military base.

And yesterday government announced that an economical embargo was on the way for Iraq. Kurds have most of their goods from Turkey. Lets see if this'll work.

 

Let's hope things will settle down, but if the Turks interfere I will fully support them, they have the same right as any other country to defend the security of their population against terrorism.

 

if you like statistics...... here u r :

Iraq Coalition Casualties

 

Thank you, but thats what I have been using

 

Turkish prime minister criticizes EU countries for not extraditing terrorists

This is a rare issue that I agree with our PM.

Anyways, I'd like to tell you about Misak-i Milli. Here what wiki says about it;

"Misak-ı Millî (English: National Oath or National Pact) is the set of six important decisions taken by the last term of the Ottoman Parliament. Parliament met on 28 January 1920 and published their decisions on 12 February 1920. These decisions resulted in the occupation of İstanbul by the British on 16 February 1920 and the establishment of a new parliament, the Grand National Assembly, in Ankara.

National Oath:

1. The future of the territories inhabited by an Arab majority at the time of the signing of the Mondros Treaty will be determined by a referendum. On the other hand, the territories which were not occupied at that time and inhabited by a Turkish-Moslem majority are the homeland of the Turkish nation.
2. The status of Kars, Ardahan and Batum may be determined by a referendum.
3. The status of Western Thrace will be determined by the votes of its inhabitants.
4. The security of Istanbul and Marmara should be provided for. Transport and free-trade on the Straits of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles will be determined by Turkey and other concerned countries.
5. The rights of minorities will be issued on condition that the rights of the Moslem minorities in neighboring countries are protected.
6. In order to develop in every field, the country should be independent and free; all restrictions on political, judicial and financial development will be removed.[1]

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The Ottoman Minister of Internal Affairs, Dâmâd Şerîf Paşa, made the opening speech of parliament due to Mehmed VI's illness. A group of parliamentarians called Felâh-ı Vatan was established by Mustafa Kemal's friends to acknowledge the decisions taken at the Erzurum Congress and the Sivas Congress. Mustafa Kemal said "It is the nation's iron fist that writes the Nation's Oath which is the main principle of our independence to the annals of history." Decisions taken by this parliament were used as the basis for the new Turkish Republic's claims in the Treaty of Lausanne."






The first maps shows the borders of Misak-i Milli and the second one shows the current borders. Turkey made a move to take back Mosul in 1925 but the Sheikh Said rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia kept the army busy and "The rebellion diminished the negotiating power of Turkey and the Ottoman province of Mosul was assigned to British Mandate of Mesopotamia. The final conclusion of the rebellion from existent powers were the British have the control of Mosul and Turkey and Kurds were the chance of uniting Mosul Province, Ottoman Empire to Turkey."

This explains why senior citizens of Turkey don't like the British. I think Turkey now wants a rematch, looking at sizes of the units moved to the border. And PKK just might be the reason that we need. I am not sure if this is a good idea.

 

Faulty info?


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War is never a good idea, but Turkey has the right to defend its borders. Kerem I see Turkuy lost parts of Thrace to Greece and Bulgaria too. I thougt Bulgaria sided with Turkey.

 

It is here skip. Ottoman vs. The rest of the Balkans.Balkan Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Okay , thank you Kerem. The reason I asked is because Bulgaria claimed an acces to the Agean sea and it was Greece that eventualy got the coridor.

 

The 8 Turk soldiers have been freed !

 

Good news, at last.

Hey Kerem this is in French but there was an anti pkk demonstration led by Turks in my town yesterday!

Orange

 

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Well here my two cents worth and i'll see if it gets me banned

George W Bush, John Winston Howard and Tony Blair concocted a litany of lies and presented them to the United Nations on Iraqs so called WMD's (so far none have been found or storage facilities to house the WMD's) plus they concocted lies to tie the Hussein regime with Osama Bin-Laden and his Al-Queda (fact the two men hated each other and Hussein actually prevented Al-Queda from establishing itself in Iraq).

So what happened the United Nations would not accept the litany of lies that the Axis of Evil (Western Version) had presented and would not send in forces to invade Iraq, so the three wise men decided that "we'll go anyway".

Iraq was never about "terrorism, WMD's or anything like that". What was Iraq all about, It was George W Bush seeking revenge for the humiliation of his fathers stuff-up, Iraq was also about Oil. Nothing more and nothing less, it was about who controlled Iraq's vast oil reserves, and that how much could the petro-chemical companies that the Bush Family potentially earn from that oil.

Bush decided that he would send in many thousands of American lives to the slaughter to feather his own pockets, the America Congress rubber stamped this, but ironically not one serving member of Congress had a son or daughter currently serving in the military, and as of yet none to my knowledge has joined and sent.

Oh and another thing if America had not attacked Iraq, over one million Iraqi civillians would still be alive today, But get this George W Bush is now talking about an outright attack on Iran, how many more people must die in the middle east to satisfy Bush's hunger to control the middle east oil reserves.

Regards

Vietnam was a bitch and Iraq is another bitch, we (Australia, Britain and America) never learned from Vietnam.