Jeep or Humvee?

The obvious question is: why?
Defend your viewpoint!

 

I'll take the Jeep...
Why, because the Humvee is like a moving sign saying ''BLOW ME'' :bang: and because the US Army is gonna replace them

 

ONE THING I REMEMBER

The Hummer can be parachute dropped or slid off the back of a moving airplane without a 'pallet' or crate..

(memory)

no link

 

Wouldn't that break the suspension???

It seems impossible, if it doesn't land on his wheels it will be useless.

 

nope- that was the point-

the vehicle was built around the suspension

and as far as it goes, If memory serves right, it is designed so you can just cut off any damaged pieces..

I think it is balanced to drop evenly, but the 'first bounce' is the part that will tip it into damaging a fender or something.

Been awhile, it was contoversial because of its cost.

Source: some 'newsmag' TV show.

I saw em dropping it..

I saw a 'bounced ' one too...

Maybe the 'mini moke' did sort of the same, but it needed a cheap pallet..

MINI MOKES should have been part of this thread along with Landrovers, which if you know your history were developed using an old Jeep..

 

>slid off the back of a moving airplane

Running low over a runway...

Kicked off the back while a few meters off the ground.

 

''and as far as it goes, If memory serves right, it is designed so you can just cut off any damaged pieces..''

In school I learned for mechanic and that makes no sence...you can cut of a damaged peice from every car, that doesn't say it doesn't have to be replaced..

I still can't believe the suspension is strong enough to soften te impact, especially because one of the reasons they are gonnan replace the Humvee is because it can't carry enough weight, that doesn't say any good about the suspension either.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... vee24.html

 

I am talking about damaged body parts or fenders etc that are obvioiusly NOT necessary mechanical parts like engines or transmissions.

As you are a mechanic then I am sure you may have seen a car driven after it has been in an accident.

And I am sure you understand that things like engines and such ARE necessary for a car to run.

The necessary parts are stuffed away, protected, more or less.

The parts that might get damaged in a drop, like windows, doors, bumpers, lightbulbs, running boards, radios, antennae, grill work, door handles, exhaust mufflers and fenders are not really necessary for the vehicle to operate as transport.

Does that make sense?

 

>suspension is strong enough to soften te impact



That was the whole point in building it- the single purpose in replacing the Jeep.

The competiton was held with that being the single most important and primary deceiding factor in determining the winner.

period

 

The competiton was held with that being the single most important and primary deceiding factor in determining the winner.

Was it???
That the jeeps suspension couldn't carry much weight isn't the ONLY reason that it was replaced.
For example:
It was to small
Could flip over pretty easy
Couldn't carry enough troops/equipment (not enough room)
And its off-road performance wasn't good enough anymore.

I think it was not really difficult to find a GOOD replacement for the jeep.

 

>The competiton was held with that being the single most important and primary deceiding factor in determining the winner.


yep :bang:

and I ain't got nothing more to say about it...

take it or leave it,

http://www.google.com/search?q=Humvee+p ... rt=10&sa=N

look it up for yourself..

Stonewall shrugs, shakes head in disgust and walks away

 

Nope

http://www.mowag.ch/En/07_BilderEn/HMMWV.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... _n12417667

http://www.off-road.com/hummer/general/hmmwv.html

http://www.amgeneral.com/vehicles_hmmwv_background.php
Which indicate that drivers for the programme were cost, maintainability, mobility and modularity.
Of these sites coming up on the google search Stonewall listed (none of which go into detail about the actual requirements or final competition), the third one is rabidly anti-HMMWV and indicates that the hummer cannot be carried by MV-22. Surely a major error in a new programme if air-lift is a priority?

http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/hummer/humhisty.htm
Five months of testing if the only criterion was air-drop capability??
And regardless, if that particular vehicle, ie the the AM General design, was picked on that feature ALONE, it does not mean the HMMWV programme was based on that requirement. Whichever company's vehicle had been picked it still would have been Hummer.

 

Thanks Oli :lol:

 

The HMMWV is equipped with a high performance diesel engine, automatic transmission and four wheel drive that is air transportable and droppable from a variety of aircraft.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m998.htm

 

They don't say it will be dropped without a ''crate'' (?) surrounding it :roll: :lol:

 

It does not say that you were not living here in the USA back 20 years ago where you would have seen the Sunday night newsmag "60 minutes' where they questioned the cost of the HUmvee and the army trotted out pictures of the 'no crate' test..

They estimated 20 % losses and showed tape after tape of it being dropped..

That, me bucko, was the story.

No matter how they try and re- write the story now..


clear? over!

Roger that?

mebbe I will find some support/ maybe not...

 

I don't believe it will survive a drop without somekind of crate around it

BTW, 20 years is a long time ago, are you sure you remember it correctly, wasn't it somekind of test to show what will happen to a Humvee when dropped without a crate???

 

Dropping it on a LAPES run is not a major problem given good suspension. The films I've seen show the Herc coming in at 6-10 feet altitude or thereabouts. Not a big deal for a good set of springs. Remember that it's the vertical height ONLY that counts. If Christie could (and did) run a tank off the top of a two-storey building in the thirties and keep going when he hit the ground then there's no problem with the springs on a hummer.
But that was not the sole requirement for the HMMWV programme...

 

That was how it was sold to the US taxpayers..

$10K fer a bare bones Jeep vs $73K (todays #) for a Hummvee

film after film, tape after tape, blah blah blah after blah

That was the point... It would bounce 7-12 meters ( 23-40 feet)

20 years... If you saw the film you would remember..

 

Not necessarily.

If it falls at the same speed a human does when parachuting, I don't see why it should break (unless it's really weak).

Slightly off topic
I have landed from fairly high heights on my motocross bike (from maybe 5 meters in the air) and the suspension does just fine.

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