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King Tiger in modern tank warfare?

Discussion in 'Post-World War 2 Armour' started by Boba Nette, Feb 24, 2004.

  1. Notmi

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    According to MAOL:
    Uranium: 18.9 kg/dm^3
    Tungsten: 19.3 kg/dm^3
     
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    So, does tungsten have better penetration capabilities but uranium is used by some countries because it's cheaper?

    Maol: Matematiikan opettajien liitto?
     
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    I believe DU has some incidentiary effects which tungsten doesn't have.

    Matemaattisten aineiden opettajien liitto
     
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    ''But when the Abrams uses DU penetrators it will outpenetrate the Leopard 2A6's gun !''

    No, now you talk about the Leopard2a5, the germans play it smart, they don't have to use radioactive materials wich are bad for the Abrams tankcrew, and don't spend more money on making DU grenades...
    they jused use super KE-rounds (Dm-53 newest one(?) ) and just (very cheap) put an extra 1.30 meters of gunbarrel as a result it has better penetration power than the Abrams (wich uses the same gun as the A5)
     
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    Oh you'd wish, you'd wish !! :wink:

    The 120mm L/55 gun will penetrate 810mm of armor at 2km with the new KE rounds ! :wink:

    The 120mm L/44 gun will eventhough its less powerful, penetrates 960mm of armor at 2km ! This is with DU rounds.

    You see DU rounds act differently against armor than KE rounds does.

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    DU (depleted uranium) and KE (kinetic energy?). But both's penetration power relies to kinetic energy, right?
     
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    I'm not sure about this but IMHO is that you can look metals in a hydro-dynamical way only when the shot's speed exceeds 5000 m/s. And APDSFS hits it's target with say 1750 m/s.

    In fact, there is a formula to calculate the penetration:

    P= n * L * {square root: 1/2 }

    P-----------penetration
    sortof-n---efficiency factor (APDSFS: 0.66, HEAT: 0.9)
    L-----------lenghth of the shot or jet
    1----------- density of shot
    2----------- density of armor
     
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    Hmmm, i'm not into the whole tank ammunition/penetration thing, but what I hear from people that have alot of knowledge on penetration capability's the Leopard2a5 with its L44 gun and ammo are inferior to the L44 of the Abrams (same gun) with its DU ammo, but that the Leo2a6 with it's new gun can now handle the enormous power of the new ammo (dm53???) and that it's slightly ahead of the Abrams now.
     
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    There is one con in this duel Abe vs. Leo: IMHO they will never fight each other! :D
     
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    Well it aint as easy as to say "That gun is the most powerful so it will offcourse penetrate more armor", No its actually quite difficult.

    DU rounds and KE rounds (KE=Kinetic Energy/Round made of Tungsten) Act differently under heat, and heat is one of the things developed when a penetrator hits armor.

    DU rounds develope an incredible amount of heat when they hit armor, much more than a Tungsten penetrator !

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    So if you got 2 layers of armor with space/room between the 2 layers of armor the DU penetrator will smash/burn through the first layer of armor, but what about the second layer of armor, will it smash through this to?
     
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    Yes it will go through the second layer as well. (Depending on how thick it is offcourse ! :grin: )

    Spaced armor is only effective against HC, HE and HEAT rounds. HE rounds has an easier time against it than the other two though.

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    Soooooooooooo..........................



    One might say that who ever said this was right
    ".....the L44 gun on the abrams would turn this king tiger inside out, then right side out, then inside out again."

    Ok. The king tiger can't hack it in war today. Duh

    Also. The leopord 2a6 has a better gun than the M1A2, but the M1A2 has better ammo.

    In conclusion. King Tiger looses. Abrams, Leo 2a6, Chanlanger 2 ect are all really good tanks.
     
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    And ofcourse it its Leo2a6 VS M1A2(SEP) VS Chally 2 it will come down on crew experience and tactics.
     
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    I like the abrams with its DU rounds.
     
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    I think you've just wrapped up pretty much every argument in the modern tanks section there! :grin:
     
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    three reasons why the King Tiger wouldn't do good.

    1.To slow
    2.bad mobility
    3.high fuel consumption
    4.obsolete technology


    it might do good for some bickering nations in Africa , but not in any modern army.
     
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    It would fine against Cuba, they at least 400 T-34s stored! :grin:
     
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    ?? I don't think so....

    The reason why DU rounds are such good penetrators is the fact that they are self sharpening!
    DU Rounds have the ability to self-sharpen on impact with armour, also the Depleted Uranium is the reason why the tank explodes

    The Kinetic Energy (LKE II DM52) ammo of the A6 count on heat to make the tank explode on impact (impact of the arrow will melt the steel of the tank wich will explode it's ammo/fuel/crew....the after the place effect).

    BTW as the L55 is an upgrade of the L44 it is also capable to fire the same rounds as the M1........
     

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