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Left Wings Over Europe, or How to Start a War About Nothing

Discussion in 'Alternate History' started by gurfinkle, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. wm.

    wm. Well-Known Member

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    Hitler's War was published in 1977, he changed his mind later so all you wrote is false.
    Actually, my entire post was based on his Goebbels – Mastermind of the Third Reich published in 2014, based on sources unavailable in 1977.

    So again all you wrote is false, and you can ask Irving if you don't believe me.
     
  2. gurfinkle

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    I found the Hess info in Irving's book looking for the Goebbel's quote ..thanks ... :) .... Given Irving's reliance on primary source documents as opposed to second hand sources, I don't see any reason to doubt the section in Hitler's War, and I don't see any indication that Irving 'changed his mind' on anything in the book, so .. you'll need to provide a reference. Note: I just checked Irving's Goebbels book and while it provides a different angle, Hitler's reaction to the flight (which surprised Hitler as reported in the Hitler book) it doesn't contradict the Hitler book.
     
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  3. EKB

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    Franz Halder testified that Hess was wrong.

    At the staff conference of 23 November 1939, Halder heard Hitler say several times that he would not honor the peace agreement with Russia and that pacts are honored only when they serve a purpose. See document below.

    Halder ref to Hitler breaking pact with Stalin .jpg

    http://hydrastg.library.cornell.edu/fedora/objects/nur:01724/datastreams/pdf/content
     
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  4. Otto

    Otto Gearing up. Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Today I sampled a new craft beer, Fresh Haze IPA from Deschutes Brewery. Now I've had a few offerings from Deschutes before, and I've enjoyed them all, so I opened my the first can and poured it into my glass with some anticipation. The beer is classified as a "New England" IPA, which leans toward juicy tropical hop varieties and these are the ones I tend to enjoy.

    The beer pours a very hazy tangerine/orange, with a good amount of opaque particulate, which means (happily!) the beer is unfiltered. When applied to the nose, the aroma is mildly floral with strong citrus notes. The low carbonation resulted in a minimal head. Now that we've seen the appearance and aroma both lean toward the world of citrus, let's see where it lands on the tongue.

    The first sip is delicious, though it contained less citrus on the palate than one would expect based upon the look and nose of the brew. While I enjoyed the taste, the flavor is a bit too one dimensional with grassy bitterness dominating the profile over the malt balance. The bitter aftertaste lingered a bit longer than I would have liked, but these are small concerns. The beer was satisfying, and at 6.5% alcohol it allows for multiple "samples" without too much impact.

    Given the stellar array of great beer crafted by Deschutes, I'd probably opt for their other IPAs over Fresh Haze, but I did enjoy the first of the six pack, and the remaining five won't stick around too long.

    So, what have you guys been drinking?
     
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  5. CAC

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    Have you sampled VB?
     
  6. Otto

    Otto Gearing up. Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I remember my Dad drinking it back when we lived in Oz. I probably tried it back then, but I've not seen it for some time. It appears to be a macro-brew. It is any good?
     
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    George Patton Canadian Refugee

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    Recently I've taken a liking to this:

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    However, if we're limiting ourselves to beer, I don't do IPAs like all youse millennial hipsters. I'm an old-fashioned guy. I'll settle for a bottle of Warsteiner, my go-to when I want a cold one.

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  8. Otto

    Otto Gearing up. Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I do enjoy me some good gin. I mix it with soda and a cucumber wedge. Delicious.

    And for the records, IPAs are old fashioned. Though I do agree the IPA styles of today are a probably not too similar to the original versions.
     
  9. CAC

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    Hehe...I don't drink!
    But I have tried it when young...its bitter but clean...and in Australia should be served with the condensation dripping down the schooner...
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  10. RichTO90

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    Nice! Deschutes Brewery is quite good, although my favorite is actually their Black Butte Porter. I am planning on getting to Bend as part of a road trip later this year, but have quite a few breweries quite close. In Seattle right now my favorite is actually Old Stove at Pike Place...they did three stellar fresh hopped IPAs this summer when the crop came in that would amaze you. Seattle is also home to Fremont, Pike Place, Red Hook, and many others. Our local beers are Sound Brewery in Poulsbo, which does some very nice Belgian-style ales, then there is Rainy Daze, Slippery Pig, and Valholl, also in Poulsbo. Dog Days, Lovecraft, and Der Blokken are in Bremerton, plus newly opened Crane's Castle, which is just up the street. 7 Seas is in Gig Harbor, while Olympia has Fish Tales and Bellingham has Aslan. All of which barely scratches the surface. So all in all I have quite a few to choose from.
     
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  11. Otto

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    Isn't Black Butte just a great porter? It's one of my favorites.

    Happily there are so many good breweries these days that you can find something of quality almost anywhere.
     
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    Seem to have personally flagged a bit on beer these days, but yeah nice to see good brown stuff on top again.

    The UK's 'CAMpaign for Real Ale' discussed winding itself up recently, since their original aim was to get a decent pint into easy reach, everywhere, and it's sort of happened.
     
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    I have a six of those Warsteiners in fridge. Quite delish. Well, I say a six, three of them have gone missing.
     
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    Warsteiner's what mates whose dads were squaddies always used to steal from the garage.
    Not much of a Lager drinker, but it's decent stuff that still goes down easily.

    IPAs my favourite brown beer, though recent ones are sometimes getting a tad too carried away with the hops, and some of those nice new ones from the Americas are an eye-watering price at the tap over here. (As I learnt to my cost, and a mate's amusement. Over a fiver a pint! In Nottingham!)

    Lucky to have a local owned by a serious brewery & run by a careful landlord.
    No food or frippery in our one, just fantastic beer in a comfortable old pub.
    .Steamin' Billy Brewing Co.LTD
    Gone through all their draughts & no duds, but the 'one step above cooking' Skydiver is fantastic when properly kept.
    (Makes me realise again how important keeping beer is. Had it in several places & 'OK', but locally - superb.)

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  15. WILD DUKW

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    Beer? I love it, but can't handle the alcohol. My favorite non-alcoholic beer is Guieness Kaliber. It is made by sucking out the alcohol in some manner while leaving that great beer taste I love.

    The problem is I can't find it in any of the stores that used to handle it in my neck of the woods. I just learned Guinness has a new non-alcoholic beer. Unfortunately, I haven't seen it in stores yet.

    Guinness Kaliber.jpg
     
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    Every where you turn in Richmond there's another craft brewery. Last Father's Day, my lovely and talented daughters took me to one of which they'd heard good things.

    We walked in and went to the bar to order . . . There's this great list on the wall and I could feel my eyes starting to glaze over . . . they picked some beers for a sample flight & then they, and the young woman behind the bar, looked at me and asked "which do you want?" My vacant look was obviously telling and the bartender, being helpful, asked "well, what do you usually drink?" My response: "Wine."
     
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    My Dad goes for Mogen David, and he's not even Jewish.
     
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    I like nice Virginia native grape Norton. Youngest daughter gave me a bottle for Christmas from Horton Vineyard . . . HA! A Horton Norton!
     
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    Mad Dog 20/20 is an acquired taste...That I never acquired.
     
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    You have to add Grape Kool Aid ! Then it is delish. :)
     

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