Many ww2 photos....

Another pics site, eastern front:

http://www.gri.it/gallery/piechi/

 

Ill have to check this out on another computer--I just tried on this one but I only got a message saying that due to restrictions on this computer, this link cannot be opened I CANT wait till I get my own computer.

Im looking forward to opening this link Kai

 

Erich,
With all respect, how can you seriously tell people that they have to contact site administrators every time they want to copy a picture off the Internet?? People copy Internet images all the time. Site designers can post images which are pretty much "copy-proof." If they don't even bother to do this, I say, COPY AWAY!
Most copying on the Internet is for personal, and not commercial, purposes, anyway.

 

It's easy, I just said it......I know knowbody seems to think it is illegal to hijack copyrighted pics off the net. Its done all the time I know this because several of s were taken off our Sturmgruppen missions web-site last year and we caught the chaps in the act. One of the reasons we pulled the site for the time being. it will have full acknowledgements and of course WARNUNG posted to any posers who would love to scan and paste images to others as well as for their own personal useage. Wouldn't it be really keen if people would have the balls and go ahead and contact the web-site owner for permission first. As Christoph Anwender does on his emblems site. Anyone right clicking his emblems gets a nice little box stating that it was hard work to put the images together which it is, and aks his permission first......gee, what an idea !
For certain the hijacking will continue, as there has been others having the same problems with there sites, and the site It's all about warfare has had too many vandals posting a selection of internet images until just 3 month ago when the web-master discontiuned the posting of these stolen images. There was quite a stir about this and I was shaking the pot with my own opinions
If you need to have an image, go ahead and ask here or check with some one else before displacing someone else's property. I would really hate to get my pants taken down by some German vet for our future site Knight. It almsot happened once and the guy was gracious enough to fill us in on the background of the pic which was of him and his a/c. As mentioned we always list our sources on a special sources page. If there are imagery from the Bundesarchiv that has been represented in many books then even by legal standards the Bundesarchiv has to be contacted for permission.
If anyone disagrees with my opinion then so be it. Try to publish a book(s) with photos and see how far you get !!!

E

 

E:
I'm not talking about taking images off the Net for use in a published book.
I'm talking about copying material for personal use.
And I don't see how someone's using your image as a screensaver is really any big deal.
I find it hard to believe that anyone--including yourself--has written a publisher every time they photocopied a page from a book or magazine. I copy text off news sites all the time: some of which I even paste into posts on this forum.
How many people on this site contacted publishers before "stealing" their images to use as avatars?
You can make the copyright issue as ridiculous as you want.
Respectfully submitted,
The Knight

 

Well that is your opinion and I respect that. By the way I have never published anything without consent from the pics owner. The avatar I had gone through channels before submitting to Otto and Peppy. As mentioned there is no real cyber police to catch anyone. Maybe if you owned a site and put say upwards of over 60,000 words together and an archiv of some 350 plus pics for your site, and a few "boys" just decided to grab a few of your pics just for their own useage, and of course the promise they will never use them for money making or a web-site or an article......yeah right ! Look man, I just don't trust anyone and that's just the plain truth. The stinkin pics were not their's in any case. It took quite a bit of time.......years and generated funds to aquire unseen photos.....get my drift ? You don't see any harm in it but I do. So end of story from me.

 

You're being a little evasive here:

I specifically excluded "publishing" from my statement. And the issue of copyright extends beyond pictures (there's nothing special about images: copying text is just as illegal.)
I'll repeat the question:
Have you contacted publishers every time you photocopied a page from a book or a magazine?
You NEVER copy and paste text off the internet for your research files or to e-mail another person without first contacting the publisher or author?
And, of course, you have never downloaded ANY music from the internet.
Interested in hearing your reply,
The Knight

 

Knight:

Not evasive at all, just speaking from my own personal experience.

Yes I contact all resources first before any copying which has been a total of maybe 15 pages.
I do not listen to internet music......sorry.
I've collected information from vets and their traditionsverband for over 35 years. Why the heck would I want to copy stuff off the internet when I already have the first hand accounts and general bomb group and fighter group histories in the first place.... ? Knight, I have over 500 contacts in the WW 2 air war research.

 

E:
Well, so far, you're the only person I've ever met who won't photocopy anything out of a book or magazine without first contacting the publisher.
I swap news stories with friends on the internet, and will often copy paragraphs from CNN or Drudge, or whatever to save people the time of going back and forth through links. I know this is illegal: that I'm breaking the law, but, honestly, I can't see how anyone's getting hurt by that.
You might want to tell Otto and other forum members about the legality of stealing images from websites to use as avatars. Even my avatar, while it's a squadron logo, was copied out of a book.

 

Honesty can really be brutal !

by the way I don't read WW2 mags either anymore since 9/10ths of them are full of unresourced documentation. heck, I have enough vets to interview for the next 100 years and will never get to all of them. I've almost finished purchasing any more books as I have over 700 of them in my libray and deal really only in speciific titles dealing with Luftwaffe subjects.
Otto and others have been following this thread since it started so I am not worried about what others are doing. I simply wanted to state my opinions whatever they were worth. Any way we are all entitled to that......

 

"Brutally honest" would be accusing all those forum members of being thieves because they copied images off the internet.

 

whatever you say bud ...... :/

 

... guess so.

 

Knight--believe me when you read this--Erich DOES know what he is talking about when it comes to rights, publishing etc. He does stuff for authors ALL THE TIME--I think in the many years he has doen this work--I think he learned something about copyright laws.

Me-myself--I dont know Jack about them and do rely on what Erich says as I KNOW he KNOWS better than I do.

No offense intended

 

Case in point. The image of a German Sniper that you see on the left side of the forums when coming to the site is from one of my pictures. This is an original photo taken of Knights Cross Recipient: Oberstleutnant Heidschmidt.

I asked Otto to post the pic on these forums and he gracefully did so. Yes--I paid a high price for this photo and well worth it. No--I dont care who downloads it--what could be done anyway if I wanted to do something about it?

All I know is, that IM the owner of the original Heidschmidt photo. It is also a Heinrich Hoffmann photo.

Another I hope to soon see posted on the forums is one of Oberleutnant zur See, Klaus Feldt. He is being awarded his Knights Cross by none other than Grand Admiral Erich Raeder.

Its a cool and VERY expensive photo.

 

CE: you are entirely right, and so is EB.
Copying text, images, and ideas, whether for commercial or personal use is strictly against the law (as nearly everything is copyrighted.)
There's a lot of information traded back and forth over the Internet. (I just sold a collection of photography to the West Point Military Museum, and I know lots of people copied images which I had posted online. So, I am familiar with this.)
But... (and this is how this thing started) if someone new to the internet were to ask me about copying images and text for their personal use, I'd say, go ahead and do it. Walk into any library and you'll find several photo-copying machines--do you think the library staff are going to ask to see the publisher's permission before they let you copy a page from a book? College students would be spending half their time writing publishers and authors in order to get research work done.
In the real world, this simply does not happen. Again, I'm talking about personal use.
I know lots of people used the Internet last week to copy images I had posted online, however, if it wasn't for the Internet, I never would have sold them to West Point. It's a reasonable trade-off which I'm willing to accept. Besides, there are more important battles to fight out there.
Thoughtfully submitted,
The Knight

 

Hi Knight--its difficult for me to try to participate in a discussion that I personally know so little about. My only thing is that at least I know I own the original pic that might have been copied thousands of times and is enjoyed.

I was only pointing out that Erich does know his stuff on publishing.

 

The beauty of the Internet is that there's so much information that can be shared. I'm usually flattered to hear that enthusiasts have copied my images. The very nature of the digital medium lends itself to easy duplication. It's a new era and the lawyers are going to have to catch up to reality, that's all.

 

More information here. Enjoy the pics!

http://www.rudolf-hess.org/archiv/bilder.php3?fs=8

http://photo-album.ww2.klup.info/

http://www.artehistoria.com/frames.htm?http://www.artehistoria.com/batallas/fichas/297.htm

War posters axis and allied:

http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/5996/poster.htm

Visit all the important German HQ´s in East Prussia:

http://www.geocities.com/bue02/mapeastprussia.html

 

Something here:

http://www.geocities.com/limeydvr/images.html

http://www.warplaces.net/uk084_Marine_Ehrenmal_Laboe.htm

http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/pow.html

http://www.stalingrad-info.com/stalingrad1942.htm