mass produced death

a factory mass produces<>fast, efficiently/etc....that is what the death camp workers did<>mass produce death!! there have been and still are genocides.....why do humans do it??? I know why there are murder/rapes/robberies<>humans being human?

 

Yes.


Forgive the excessively long response.

 

what are the reasons the death factory ''workers''/officers/etc killed? fear?hate?hunger?????

 

I'll second LRusso's motion. Stangl was probably the worst of the lot, but at heart he was just a bureaucrat. So much raw material into the plant (humans), and so much produce out (gold teeth, jewelry, clothing, labor). As long as there was a profit at the end of the quarter, he was happy.

A university did a study where volunteers were asked to push a button which supposedly gave an electric shock to a victim strapped to a chair. The guy in the chair would fake agony when the button was pushed. Nearly every one of the volunteers pushed the button as often as they were asked. After all, this was a reputable university and they were contributing to a valuable study.

 

much thanks Grayb...I'm always looking for good books

 

now that you mention this, it does seem I remember your point from a recent article I read....I think I read where Eichmann was very business like with the operation, but he would also have a very mean attitude toward the Jews....I've read where spree killers and mass murderers really show/have no emotion when admitting the details of their crime....I would believe some of the death factory workers/higher ups would feel some remorse/guilt though

 

interesting Kody and Slip...but, maybe, some of them had some guilt/remorse??but, I believe some people would actually love doing that.....I've read the books of people pretending to be nurses/doctors and even doctors themselves, murdering people for ''no'' reason....I'm sure there were a few death workers that 'enjoyed' it...ty to all replies...much appreciate the many ideas/thoughts/knowledge

 

The Milgram experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ

People are arses.
Fascinating, innit.

 

Fascinating. I just read Browning and he mentioned this study at length.

 

I would describe it like this....with something I have witnessed while growing up on a farm raising sheep (Urgh like thing, where is he?). This quickly reaches the limits of my finite mind to comprehend so others may understand better than I do. I saw once that at night all the neighbor hood family pets when left loose soon gathered in a large pack and migrated to the fields where we kept our sheep. When they approached the sheep they began to play with and chase them as if playing a game but as the game proceeded they began to nip and bite doing damage especially to the smaller young sheep and by the time we could go and get a firearm it was too late as at least half the herd would die from injuries sustained in this attack by otherwise sweet family pets from the neighborhood. The neighbors would not believe their dogs participated. The frenzy that they built up to, was shocking in how their animal instincts took over to accomplish an awful damage to a large number of animals. I have seen this again with coyotes in the wild as they hunt their food. The difference is that animals have an animal justification. Humans don't but have similar instincts if drawn to their animal side. That animal which is the top of God's creation has the most evil of the animal instincts. That is how I view what humans did to other humans in the concentration camps. The lowest instincts were reached by the human animal and was allowed to prevail over every other emotion and was politically justified by the rhetoric heard from their Alpha, "Hitler" and his similar thinking contemporaries. It is the worst of humanity, appealed to with hate speech and brought out in circumstance. What is not understood is that we are not immune to repeat performances as has been proven in various places. We need to understand when we are hearing that rhetoric or contributing to building that circumstance with our everyday thoughts and actions.

 

yes Victor.....the greatest murder/rape/robbery/etc was during WW2 by humans....if you read the news everyday, you see humans doing the most evil things.....genocide seems to be a ''trait''..sure, it is a small percentage that commits the ''worst'' evil, but it is still there....not to mention all the hate/etc that is around us everyday everywhere

 

It's a debate that usually conjures up many theories. Whether the trait is always dormant within a human being or if its acquired through ideological training or circumstance. I've read many accounts where theologians and researchers theorize that it is based on being a product of one's environment. In the case of the German people, were they downtrodden from the reparations within the Treaty of Versailles, among other issues of the time, and an easy target for the national socialist ideals or were they always plagued by antisemitism?

 

The Milgram experiments defy that theory. Normal people from normal backgrounds will do awful things if an authority figure tells them to. I suppose you need an ideological framework to justify the order, but as you see above normal people will electrocute a person to death based on no more than "It's part of the experiment."

 

Actually, I believe it may enhance the theory of human beings being products of their environment. Maybe I'm just talking semantics but the authority figure, the scientific experiment, the actors, are setting up a stage for a scientific control. That in and of itself is the environment creating a sense of necessity to finishing the experiment. The test subjects feel pressure to complete the task at hand to further scientific progress. It doesn't, however, aid in establishing the secondary theory that human beings are innately or can easily become immoral based on dormant characteristics. The framework is there.

Regardless it still completely sickens me to the core.

 

much thanks for all replies..very, very interesting to read them..very good points....I would think it's so complex<>if you ever read about serial killers, they get a ''high'' at killing...I think you have a big variation of how people are like that<>females less so, males more, of course...then you have some people that are easily swayed/etc...a major point<>there always have been genocides in human history, so, that tells me it is somewhat a human 'trait'....

 

Suggest the following book:

http://www.lucifereffect.com/


...as well this experiment set up by the writer and other researcher at Stanford Uni:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment


Edit: video too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=760lwYmpXbc