ME-109 relics

the surroundings: heavy forested area and swamps!

 

Does this look like your piece?

 

Yes that is the very one Lippert. On the picture this is an angular piece covering the device, but if you take it away, it is the Karman system. Thanks for this picture, it is better than the one I have at home.

 

Skipper, Erich, Lippert, all three of you have done one heck of a job in your phots, drawings and other information on these relics. If I were walking through the French Countryside and saw these items, i'd have probably figured them as coming from old farm equipment ;-))

Skipper, thanks for showing them. ;-D

 

I'm pretty sure it's for the elevators. It was run along the right side of the airframe and linked to the stick by another mechanism beneath the cockpit. Nice find!

 

Thanks Lippert. I will take another angle of this item after work and post it later today

 

My piece is actually sligtly different, but the system seems the same. It used to be flat, but one extremity was bent by the crash. Also a central axis used to hold it fixed on a spar. There are also two little wooden wedges on each side of the main piece. I'm sure both pieces had the same purpose. There are markings that seem to be factory id codes (=003 31154). The wedges are fixed together with wood screws through holes in the alumium. The central piece which is fixed on the aluminium is from iron.

 

Is it just me or does the piece you've put a picture of above look entirely different than the one we're talking about?

 

not so different in fact. It has the same purpose and is attached to cables at both ends. Mine is from a G6. I suppose there were different makers. I will scan a pic of my drawing and compare it to yours.

 

I meant to say that the picture you more recently posted looks entirely differnt from the photo that you posted before on the "unknown Kalman." I could be confused.

 

oh yes, I see the "unknown" is a different picture that's why .



The one I mean is the smaller item I posted in the very first post of this thread (for the flaps) , not (the one you identified as a rudder command). By the way by checking the first picture yo uwill be able to see a small part of an electrical wire. Sorry for the confusion. I posted the first pic again.

 

Ah, excellent! Thought I might have been going batty for a moment there. When you say for the flaps, do you mean the wing flaps, or the elevators on the tail?

The one I said was rudder was a wild guess - as it turns out, it is for the elevators, central fuselage on the starboard side (see the pic below).


I believe your smaller Karman cam was mounted just in front of this (as you see in the picture), and thw two would have been connected by a copper rod (wood in early models). The smaller cam would have provided a control power increase by changing the mechanical advantage. Additionally, the wooden wedges functioned as stops to limit stick throw. I am pretty sure the control systems of the 109 series didn't vary by much. How far apart did you find the two Karman links?

 

Hi Lippert,

Sorry for taking some time to answer your comments. I really appreciate your technical approach of identyfing my relics. I have many more items, it's all a matter of time which unfortunately I don't have. The part I meant is what you call elevators on the tail.

 

Hi Skipper,

I'm new to this forum as you can see!
would you be willing to sell some of the items you have pictured?
I am trying to aquire items for my 109 project
Many thanks

 

Can anyone help me indentify these parts?
It is from an unknown german plane that was shot down over Toska(A little island in Bergen, Norway. I used to live there)

I have been told that it was a german plane shot down by a german ship just outside of Toska, the pilot bailed out and was brought to Manger, where they tried to talk to him and couldnt belive a word he was saying, the germans came later and picked him and took most of the airplaneparts with them, i dont think you can find out anything more than this about that plane that was shot down...

 

Can you guys also help me indentify these parts? Its from a Bristol Blenheim IV, it collided with a Blenheim RT-Z after bombing a airfield at Herdla, i went to see this airplanes with my uncle that lives nearby, he had heard about the crash, but he had not seen the two airplanes before...

You can read about the planes here: Blenheim Øygarden


Btw, has my english gotten worse?

 

I will post more pictures later, but right now i am sitting on the bus...

I wont be back until Sunday...

 

It's quite interesting to see so many holes in the aluminium. It makes me think of a very light early war type aircraft. The blue certainly is Luftwaffe RLM 75 color used in the early years of the war. The pieces look like regular fuselage longerons, but it's hard to tell from which type of fighter it is.

 

I'm no Blenheim specialist but the holes make me think of an electrical device outlet with holes for electrical wires (from a radio for instance)