Merkava: Top of the tank line?

"even Israelis"? Are you implying that they are less intelligent than other people? I know that you have an intense dislike of Israelis bordering on anti-semitism, but please... have some respect. There are more ways of getting M16's than buying them from the US government...

 

There is also more ways to get RPG-29's than Russian goverment sending them trough Syria
Hell, even Slovene teritorial defence had RPG-22 in 1991. Black market does wonders sometimes

 

I have not blamed the Russians, and I think it is silly that Israel should do so... blame weapon smugglers.

 

You are correct. Unfortunatly someone is always willing to sell surplus and someone is always buying.
It's interesting how much hardwere was exported from ex Yugoslavia countries after the wars were over (seen it on BBC special about illegal weapons trade in Africa).

 

i see what you mean, but the law 80 can hit reliable at 500m or so.

Hell a milan 2/3/euro missle/ whatever the hell that calling it now knocked out a T- seris tank at over 1km although that is wire guided in 2003.

 

Hmmm, due to the topics that recent posts to this thread are talking about, maybe I should change the thread title to RPGs vs Tanks.

 

smeg, guns are very durable...m16s been arround 40 years...afgans in 80 were armed with enfields..but the russkis didnt blame the british for that...i doubt helbollah bought those m16s from the cia...

 

They were probably leftovers from Libya in the 70's

 

Lots of discussion in the news concerning the Israeli "Trophy" anti-RPG system. In tests it claims to defeat 97% of incoming RPG-rounds. A "near-perfect" record.
The US was poised to utilize this system on AFVs until it was "shot-down" in favor of the RAYTHEON government contract of $70 million US dollars... which so far has accomplished nothing.
I've seen test-footage where an rpg was launched from short-range and the Trophy-system still "got-it" before it struck the vehicle. I feel the US should utilize the Israeli-system until such time that Raytheon actually comes-up with a working alternative.

Tim

 

I've seen that too. With Trophy, enemy troops are gonna' have to find something else to fight tanks with. Like Imperial walkers.

 

What is the Trophy system?

Was it employed in the recent Lebanon action, because there seemed to be a lot of tanks getting knocked about by RPGs there...

 

Ricky:
Some background information on "Trophy" for you...

Full Spectrum Close-In Layered Shield (FCLAS), being developed by U.S. Army Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center (TARDEC) for the Full Spectrum Active Protection Close-In Shield (FSAP) program, could perhaps handle all anti-armor missile threats if it's ever perfected. However, this system is still under development and, to our knowledge, has not yet been perfected.


But, General Dynamics Land Systems probably won't need FCLAS, since it will soon be employing the aforementioned Trophy Active Protection System (APS) on all of it's armored combat vehicles, including Stryker, M1A2 Abrams MBT (Main Battle Tank), and FCS (Future Combat System). Trophy APS is an explosive/fragmentation-based anti-missile vehicle protection system that was developed by an Israeli industry consortium headed up by RAFAEL Armament Development Authority Ltd., and including Israel Military Industries (IMI) and Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI)/Elta Systems Group (a.k.a. Elta Electronic Industries Ltd.) to counter and defeat HEAT anti-tank missile threats, including short range RPG rounds and longer range anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) rounds--while the Trophy-outfitted vehicle is moving. The Israeli Merkava Mk4 MBT is reportedly going to be one of the beneficiaries of the Trophy APS tech.


According to Defense Update, the Trophy Active Defense System (ADS) has already effectively neutralized anti-tank rockets and guided missiles with a high degree of safety, insignificant residual penetration of the vehicle, and minimal collateral damage in live-fire tests--hundreds of times. Trophy's Threat Detection and Warning subsystem utilizes full hemispherical-coverage sensors (including flat-panel radars) to detect the threat. Once the incoming threat is detected, identified, and verified, the Countermeasure Assembly goes to work, opening up and positioning the countermeasure device in the direction needed to intercept the threat. The countermeasure device is then launched automatically and intercepts the threat with a "beam" of fragments at a range of 10-30 meters from the protected vehicle. A future version of Trophy ADS is reportedly being developed to protect against kinetic energy (KE) threats (high-speed/high explosive penetration projectiles).


So, what if multiple attackers fire at the Trophy APS-protected vehicle at the same time from different directions in a coordinated attack? Well, apparently nothing--once the system is perfected, of course (assuming it can be perfected). The fully-developed Tropy system should be able to detect, track and engage several incoming threats simultaneously, even if they're arriving from different directions/locations. The system can be utilized for structural protection as well, since it will reportedly work just as well on stationary platforms, as it does on mobile platforms.

--from Defense Review

 

This is wery infantry "friendly" device. If enemy desn't get you your own MBT will

 

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Before it was trigger happy tankists shooting their own guys
now the proccess will be automated :smok:
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Yep. What wonders tech can do...