Middle East shows it's TRUE colours

Thanks for a thoughtful, well written piece, BigIceMan!

 

The current bounty is five kilograms of Gold for every killed Norwegian or Danish UN soldier.
The Norwegian paper Magazinet also printed the Cartoon.

Of my platoon back in 1996, there are still three out on UN service. They have had many tours. Picking mines, keeping the peace restoring the infrastructure so that people can live. The thought that some kid can kill any of my friends for 5 kg of gold makes me sick.

The Norwegian government has tried to explain that these cartoons are not the official view from Norway but to no avail. In the medias people have given the government a lot of stick for undermining the freedom of speach, and to the editor of the paper for printing these offensive cartoons. However from the discussions this was not the first time that the cartoons were published. They were first published over a year ago. So much for a spontanious reaction.

Left wingers point at a CIA conspiracy. (featured in the BBC I am told) All in all the usual mess and mad rambling.

 

Well, they would, wouldn't they?
A bloody awful mess right enough.

 

Another week, another demonstration *yawn*... worse than bolshie students, this lot.
10,000 Muslims march in London
Yet more proof that it's only an excuse-see the organiser's demands for the cartoon copyright to handed over to Muslims (yes, really! ), and that the "Police" still aren't doing their job; a parade/demonstration usually requires at least two weeks notice, since both the Police and the relevant local authority need to peruse details before granting permission. Also, the organisers are required to provide one steward for every ten marchers; according to that article, there were 400 stewards for ten THOUSAND marchers. I make that six hundred short of the legally required minimum.
As I pointed out LAST weekend, I still haven't seen any Christian fundamentalists trashing embassies, burning Irish flags and demanding the death of Irish comedian Dave Allen after BBC 2 repeated his famous anti-clerical series from 1971.

 

Glad to see they did not set fire to London. (YET)

 

An interesting bit of entertainment is all the rage in secular Turkey these days! It is the most expensive movie ever made in Turkey at 10 million dollars and is entitled "Valley of the Wolves". Beware, the next few lines may contain "spoilers" so if you think you might want to see this film at the cinema, be warned.
Here is some of the action.
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother. They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.

So now we know the real reason for the invasion of Iraq! Not for power, not for oil, not to fight terrorists, but so Jews could harvest organs from Iraqis and sell them to other Jews!

http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/

 

I personally am enraged at that movie. Especially since two american actors are in it. Gary Buscy (spelling?) and Billy Zane. My family is on panic attack with all the protest going on because I leave for the Army on wednesday. Granted I'm only going to missouri right now. I leave next week and my best friend is leaving in the spring. Its an interesting time to be going in.

 

F.A.O - UK read this which I found.

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Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK
By Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
(Filed: 19/02/2006)

Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.

The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.


50pc said interracial relations were worsening
Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.

The results of the poll, conducted for the Sunday Telegraph, came as thousands of Muslims staged a fresh protest in London yesterday against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed. In Libya, at least 10 people died in protests linked to the caricatures.

And in Pakistan, a cleric was reported to have put a $1 million (£575,000) bounty on the head of the Danish cartoonist who drew the original pictures.

Last night, Sadiq Khan, the Labour MP involved with the official task force set up after the July attacks, said the findings were "alarming". He added: "Vast numbers of Muslims feel disengaged and alienated from mainstream British society." Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "This poll confirms the widespread opposition among British Muslims to the so-called war on terror."

The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia law in "predom-inantly Muslim" areas of Britain.


Sadiq Khan: 'Alarming'
Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation.

Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it. Twenty per cent felt sympathy with the July 7 bombers' motives, and 75 per cent did not. One per cent felt the attacks were "right".

Nearly two thirds thought the video images shown last week of British troops beating Iraqi youths were symptomatic of a wider problem in Iraq. Half did not think the soldiers would be "appropriately punished".

Half of the 500 people surveyed said relations between white Britons and Muslims were getting worse. Only just over half thought the conviction of the cleric Abu Hamza for incitement to murder and race hatred was fair.

Mr Khan, the MP for Tooting, said: "We must redouble our efforts to bring Muslims on board with the mainstream community. For all the efforts made since last July, things do not have appear to have got better."

He agreed with Sir Iqbal that the poll showed Muslims still had a "big gripe" about foreign policy, particularly over the war on terror and Iraq.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: "It shows we have a long way to go to win the battle of ideas within some parts of the Muslim community and why it is absolutely vital that we reinforce the voice of moderate Islam wherever possible."

A spokesman for Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, said: "It is critically important to ensure that Muslims, and all faiths, feel part of modern British society. Today's survey indicates we still have a long way to go… [but] we are committed to working with all faiths to ensure we achieve that end."
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I say this to those who want sharia law get out of my country and sod off to to a country that has this backward thinking.

 

As far as I'm concerned, that poll is all the proof you'll ever need that those of us who spent the last 20 years warning that 'multiculturalism' was going to create more problems than it would ever solve were right. Not that I particularly feel like gloating.
Instead of spending all those years creating 'parades commissions' in Ulster and decrying 'sectarianism' as 'Scotland's secret shame'-and pandering to the "underdogs" ( ) in the process, the government should have been cracking down on religious bigotry from ALL sides. But no, they preferred to spend years making trite comments about Muslims being victims. If an Orange -or Republican- parade is a blatant show of sectarian hatred, what are Muslim parades against cartoons which haven't even been published here? Surely bigots are bigots regardless to their skin colour?

 

Speaking of entertainment, if you find that the "Valley of the Wolves" is sold out, you can opt to see another Islamic favorite, "Al Shatat" or "The Diaspora". "Al Shatat", a 29-part Syrian-produced Ramadan special was aired by the Lebanese Hezbollah-affiliated Al-Manar television station.
According to 'Al-Shatat,' the Jews have sought to control the world for many centuries, via a secret global Jewish government. Since the 19th century, this secret government has been led by the Rothschild family. Under this government's leadership, the Jews were directly responsible for the following: starting the Russo-Japanese war; assassinating Archduke Franz Ferdinand at Sarajevo; starting WWI; starting WWII; the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki; helping Hitler annihilate the Jews of Europe; helping the Nazis annihilate 800,000 Hungarian Jews in exchange for the release of 2,000 wealthy German Jews; toppling the Ottoman sultan; deposing Czar Nicholas II; starting the Kishinev pogroms; ritually murdering a Christian child in Rumania and using his blood for matzos; torturing and murdering a Jew who married a Christian; murdering Czar Alexander III in Russia; causing the English stock market to collapse following the Battle of Waterloo and again during WWI, in order to make millions of pounds (for the Rothschilds); spying for Germany against France (Dreyfus); inventing chemical weapons (Chaim Weizmann) and selling them to both the Germans and the English; refusing to accept elderly Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis into Palestine; murdering 100 people in Egypt during military training prior to WWI; deposing British prime ministerLord Asquith; sinking a boatload of Jewish refugees en route to the U.S.; murdering emigrating Jews who tried to turn back to Europe; murdering many other characters in the series in a variety of ways; and numerous other catastrophes and criminal deeds.
"Romance, heartbreak, action, political intrigue, and belly laughs" are all part of the mix in "Al Shatat".
Now showing at an Islamic theater near you.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20Al-Shatat.html

 

No Gordon, bigotry is owned only by the anglo-european races. It is our uncontested burden for our practice of racial enslavement and the degredation we heaped upon those unfourtunate enough to stand in our way. No other peoples have ever been racist or bigoted toward another, or enslaved another, or put down another. We must accept our guilt freely and realize that all bigotry and hatred and discrimination come from our European ancestors that perpetrated all of the world's evil. Before the coming of the "white" man all was peace and harmony. No matter how many generations or centuries ago it was, we must shoulder our guilt, hang our heads in shame and give everything we have to those unfortunate victims or our evil scheming ways.

 

It must be late...I had to read that twice before the sarcasm sunk in!

 

You can laugh, but a lot of the 'chattering classes' in London honestly think that way....

 

Very true, but they have their accompli..err...counterparts up here too....

 

Thanks Gordon, I always think that sarcasm is best when it is subtle.

 

(just returned from Costa Rica, so I've been pleasantly away from the news for 10 days... *sighs contentedly*)

One tidbit I haven't seen mentioned in my quick read of this thread- to a large extent, the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper were NOT the ones many Muslims saw. Some muslim clerics circulated some far more offensive and derogatory "cartoons" around in some of the countries in an apparently deliberate attempt to inflame people.

I'm not sure how to feel about this whole situation. I certainly don't share the "yeah, let's all welcome the apocalypse" views that have been voiced by some here. That's basically advocating genocide- isn't it? So we should just stoop to the level of the radical Islamists and go all hell-bent for war?
Before we start tossing nukes around, wouldn't isolationism be a lot less bloodthirsty- and get a lot less people killed?
(And I'm also going to guess that some of the ones who seem to actually relish this idea of a massive religious war are old enough to *NOT* be one of the ones getting killed in said war... makes it a bit easier to look forward to, eh? )

I can also see some definite merit in what PzJgr said. Boston saw a big scandal about many many catholic priests sexually abusing children a while back. We certainly did not see editorial cartoons making light of this scandal- because people simply understood how tasteless and offensive that would be. We may well not agree with the people of the islamic world, and their reactions in this case are definitely extreme- but I'm not about to tell someone else what they can or can't be offended by.

But.. I guess "on the other hand"... reasonable people can't help but to be shocked deeply by the reactions these cartoons have created. I know a few muslims here in the states, and they are not overly offended by the cartoons. But the reactions of many muslims in the middle east are... sh1t, I dunno... downright scary. One MUST question portrayals of Islam as a "peaceful religion" in light of what's going on.



I guess the short version of my feelings, for what they're worth... this whole mess makes it very hard for me to believe Islam is really a "peaceful religion", but I also can't see any good coming from advocating genocide, whatever pseudo-religious or political justifications you hide it behind.

 

Crazy, I agree with you on the isolationism portion of your statements. I really do not believe that there is any irreplacable benefit to the European or American communities from immagrants from the fundamentalist islamic nations. A good first step would be to expell them all and close our borders until such time as their extremeist religious politics allowed them to mingle more peacefully with the rest of the world. They can have all the demonstrations and rallies they want in their own countries.

 

Here's the latest in Islamic oneupsmanship!

Big Bounty

A government minister in India has offered $11.5 million to anyone who beheads one of the Danish artists responsible for those controversial cartoons of the prophet Muhammad.

Muhammad Quereshi — minister of state for Haj and Minorities Welfare in India's largest state, said "the avenger" would also receive his weight in gold, adding that the money would be paid by the people of his province.