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My long winded .2 worth on Pearl Harbor

Discussion in 'WWII Films & TV' started by Erich Hartmann, May 29, 2001.

  1. C.Evans

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    CORRECTION< Have now seen.

    The love story part was about 1 hr too long. The fighting scenes looked welldone cept for the fact that there are modern Destroyers in the film, they should have used scale models.

    For the person who said they saw an M-60 MG, in this movie--Nada, it was a Browning Automatic Rifle. All other weapons were correct.

    I did have a difficult time watching some attack scenes because of my personal involvement with so many vets of ww2.

    I also had a problem with the Japanese airman, waving the kids to ground because of the attack, in real life, they cared nothing for civilians. I say Bollocks to that.

    Then to have many of the pilots at P.H. going on the Doolittle Raid, that was a big heap of B*** S***!. Then when some were captured after being shotdown--true 8 were. It was B.S. that the US pilots had a firefight with Japanese Infantry--never happened.

    All in all, alot of thinge were decent, but overall, this movis lacked. "Dorie" Miller, didnt have a big enough part as far as I am concerned, he deserves much more recognition, and because he was killed in Iron Bottom Sound off Guadalcanal. :(
     
  2. Ron

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Evans:
    All in all, alot of thinge were decent, but overall, this movis lacked. "Dorie" Miller, didnt have a big enough part as far as I am concerned, he deserves much more recognition, and because he was killed in Iron Bottom Sound off Guadalcanal. :(<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Actually he was killed during ivasions of the Marshall Islands...or maybe the Gilberts...i always get them confused almost sure it was the Marshalls. But i know it wasn't in the Solomon Islands at iron bottom sound. He was killed when the ship he was on "USS Gamblier Bay" a small escort carrier was torpedoed by a japanese plane.
    Yeah io agree with you regarding things like pearl harbor flyiers taking part in the Doolittle Raid...and there being a skirmish with Japanese troops in China...all creative licence...BUT for me i took it all in strid being that the Pearl Harbor sequence was so good. Plus no matter how inaccurate the scenes...did you see those special effects!! you could see like individual bullets hitting planes/water or ground. A far cry from the older dogfight movies when one plane would fire...you wouldn't see any tracers or anything..and then ut-oh!! the other plane is smoking...lol they always seemed to be hit in the same place. And they all always seemed to like roll over and dip below the screen as we assume it was shot down.
    I do remember seeing the modern destroyers...i frowned alittle when i saw that but i just figured oh well. well i'll stop pushing the film. I agree with most of your points carl. see ya! [​IMG]
     
  3. C.Evans

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    Dear Ron: I appreciate the agreements and correction. I was at Barnes and Nobles just yesterday, and looked at one of three new books on Pearl Harbor, and the book had Dorie, being killed at Guadalcanal. Figures I would pick the wrong book-eh??

    As im not very well up-to-par on my C.B.I. theatre stuff, I had not known that Dorie Miller had not survived WW2. Thank you for the correct events.

    The thing about the Doolittle Raid for me was just too difficult to swallow. Because of the mis-portrayal of all the men on the raid (The Doolittle vets org has also banned watching this movie as also many Australian ww2 vets orgs, just though that it should be mentioned).

    If im not mistaken, I think there are only 12 Dollittle Raiders still living. USSBOWFINSS-287--if you see this maybe you can let us know.

    To be fair about the movie though, if I had not been as knowledgable as I am on certain events of ww2, I would say that this was a good movie. I think this movie should be viewed like people viewed Saving Private Ryan. Also, U 571 and Enemy At The Gates, should be viewed that way, but apparently is not.

    I just recieved an email fron a great friend of mine in Switzerland, and he and some friends finally got to see it (U 571) and absolutely hated it, but liked P.H., go figure?? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    I still cannot figure out why so many Europeans hated U 571?? Had decent actors, good effects (no fragging romance scenes) and most of the things you see, looked pretty damn accurate to me-unlike too many things in P.H.

    Oh well, I only spent $4.50 instead of the overpriced $6.75. Saw SPR and EATG, twice on the big screen and would do so again, if it was being played.

    [ 12 June 2001: Message edited by: C.Evans ]
     
  4. Ron

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    wow wierd you saw a book that said Guadalcanal? Do you remember what the book's title was and any other info they said other than Guadalcanal?
    this is regarding Dori miller of course
     
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    I looked in my book and was still kinda right about where it was...but mistaken on a few things...He was on the escort carrier USS Liscomb Bay. According to this it was sunk off of Butariti Atoll, Gilbert Islands, by Japanese Submarine I-175. The bomb room exploded and it sank very fast. 644 men were lost including Dori Miller. Says it sank in 23 minutes
    The carrier was in the area supporting invasions in the Gilberts. of which you should recognize Tarawa.this was on 11/24/43
    So there's some facts for you lol. ;)
     
  6. C.Evans

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    Dear Ron, I wished I had remembered the title. It was one of about 10 books on ww2 I had picked out. It was full of photos I had never seen before and it also had some info on men at Pearl Harbor that had been Recipients of the Medal of Honor-I think there were around 15.

    Do you know what Doris Millers duty was on that ship? was he still shafted and stuck in the galley?
     
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    Hi Gang! Sorry I have been away for a while!! To answer a few of the Doolittle Inquiries...

    I was NOT aware that the Raiders' wanted to "boycott" the PH movie!!! I was under the impression that some of them were at the screening in HI. I will try "get the skinny" on that for you!

    As for the number of surviving Raiders...12 gathered in Fresno in early May. I have heard differing reports from the media, but it appears that there are 21-25 that remain alive. (If I can get to Colo Springs this summer, I will try the USAFA and take a photo of the goblets...since they are grouped by plane and crew status, it would simply take some cross-referencing to figure out who remains.

    Personally, up until they "fabricated" the Doolittle Raid, I would have to say I "enjoyed" the movie...since I have had the priveledge of either corresponding or meeting several Raiders, I felt a measure of "betrayal" that these brave men weren't given their due!
     
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    Hello BOWFINSS, Thats what I had read on an online news story. It said that the Doolittle Raiders along with the Batteling Bastards of Bataan Societies, were wanting to ban the movie. I dont know more details though.
     
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    Hey Carl, sorry it took me so long to respond! Anyway, on Miller's 2nd ship he was still in the galley. Although he was a highly ranked one, but still he was still a plain cook.
     
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    Hello Ron, no problem and thank you. I know that in ww2 the military was still segregated, but--that figures...making him stay in the galley--unless he chose to. :confused:
     

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