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  1. CAC

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    I hadn't heard about Harry's kill count until you asked the question CAC. You can usually spot a bullshitter because they'll say something like, "I had 120 confirmed kills". For most people in the military there is no "official" count. Pilots, snipers, etc. yes. The bulk of everybody else no. Then there is the confusion and chaos when engaged with the enemy. Most times there is too much going on, everyone is shooting, throwing grenades, arty, air, tank main guns, most times you don't have a fully exposed target, dead square in your sights that you know you've killed. Most often you shoot at muzzle flashes and quick, fleeting glimpses of the enemy.
    Then, I went out and read what Harry said. I see no issues with it. It was not an inflated number, just 25. He was an attack helicopter pilot, so you do have BDA's that are conducted and gun camera footage that is reviewed. My understanding from what I read is that Harry himself kept count from reviewing gun camera footage, the number is not a military compiled number, nor official. Sounds legit. There is no military cultural proscription against revealing your own number if you should choose to do so, especially when it is your own estimate. It is considered bad form and rude to inquire of another, "how many did you kill". Harry didn't do that. They're also upset because Harry referred to the Taliban he killed as chess pieces, bad guys removed from the game. I'm good with that as well. You can't focus on the humanity of whomever you are fighting, it would make you ineffective. They need to be enemies, bad guys, whatever because you don't need to hesitate at the point of conflict because you and/or your friends can die. They won't hesitate to kill you.
    Most of the press are a bunch of dickless, whiny beeches, anyway. They don't give a shit about anyone or anything but themselves and just want to drum up some drama to sell papers, clicks, stories, etc. Most of the bad guy's western militaries turf are pretty much worthless dregs of humanity anyway. They prey upon and exploit the weak, the powerless. Screw 'em, they need to be dead, and the world is better without them.
     
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    Wow, tell me what you really think! : )
    So you agree with me that its (normally) quite difficult to know the number anyway. I can see that an Apache pilot may actually have a good idea...Was he the pilot or the weapons specialist? Do both people get the kill or just the guy aiming and shooting?
    I respect that you dont think its bad form...However, i've never heard anyone announce their number...I'm sure its happened but so rarely i haven't come across it. I've worked with some bad asses in the past (mostly from Vietnam - Including a guy who was in the battle of Long Tan) and they never spoke about their own kills...plenty of stories involving others but not theirs. So i think at least some others do think its bad form.
    I also agree with your "chess peice" comment...Sounds like the way to do it to me.
    I also think there is a difference between talking to a fellow vet and a non military type...
     
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    I do with you, I consider you a friend (though we've never met), well, mate is probably the correct lingo in Australian.

    It is extremely hard, nigh on to impossible in most cases. Opana gave you the same answer in a short succinct manner. As for Apache pilots/gunners, as far as I know the US doesn't keep counts, do the Brits, I'm not sure but doubt it.

    That's because, as I said earlier, it is not tracked. In most cases the individual cannot know with anything close to accuracy "how many". They do likely remember a few they knew for sure they had killed, but you don't want to talk about them. Besides, in most cases no one is going to write about it; in this case it is because it is "Prince Harry". Otherwise, it wouldn't rate a mention in the press.

    Taking another human life, even if at the time you really didn't think about it, is some real Cain and Abel shit. It is something that weighs on your soul, and even though you don't have any intellectual misgivings, it is a basic human taboo that you've broken, and it eats at your subconscious. You can discuss what others did dispassionately, when it comes to yourself it's a scab you don't want to pick, a wound you don't want reopened, because it's waiting there on the periphery, always, just waiting for a chance to eat some more of your soul away. I don't believe it has anything to do with good or bad form.

    Yes there is. A fellow vet won't ask the "did you" or "how many" question. Vets, especially those that shared the same experience can relate in a way someone that wasn't there cannot. Some things cannot be explained because it is so far outside the normal human experience.

    I hope this clarifies.
     
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    I learned some things…Thanks mate.
     
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    I know of one instance where four P47's were called in to assist Army ground troops against an advancing force and days later received a 'thank you' note. Total enemy casualties exceeded 700 personnel. Napalm was involved I think.
     
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    WTF is that rig?
     
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    A cool farging gun mate!
    K'n drones!

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    Reminds me of a Tibetan margarita dispenser I saw once.
     
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    Back in the compound after a quick trip to Dayton and received a email while on the road. Oh Boy do I have something being setup !
    I've been following the restoration of a 1942 P47D not far from my house and have been told a hanger visit is in the offering !! Be still my heart. It's nearing flight readiness and if I don't $hit my pants when that radial starts up I'll be surprised.
    I gotta figure out how to post videos. I'm not sure when this will happen but the anticipation is killing me.
    I've said it before and I'll repeat it forever, Never be afraid to ask. She may shoot you down in flames but every now and then the Sky clears, the Heavens shine and Life is good.
     
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    Only 4 flying in the world...Whats the paint scheme?
     
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    A Razorback!
     
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    "I like big bubbles and I cannot lie!"
     
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    It's 8 (Celsius) here now (10 pm) and tomorrow the high is expected to be 16 with clear skies... I have some friends coming over to pick oranges, grapefruit, and tangelos off my trees in the backyard...
     
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    And when it's 211 degrees there ...
     
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    Tuesday, 1300 hours

    EDIT: I should have said, Next Tuesday at 1300.

    Route plotted,
    Flight profile filed,
    Time to target - 1 hour 20 minutes. Depending on headwinds.


    If you think the above discrimination is excessive wait until After I get up close and personal !
     
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