Panzerfaust/panzerschreck

Hi.

The japanese army developed a "reloadable" Panzerfaust-style at-device, named type 5 45 mm recoilless at-gun....



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tom!

 

It would depend on how you are transporting them for example you can get 2-3 guys carry the panzershrek and the ammo while you would probably need more men to carry the panzerfausts. But a Panzershrek would be more of a specialist weapon would it not? It would be easier to use a Panzerfaust than a panzershrek not to mention faster.


I believe the reloadable Panzerfaust was supposed to be reloaded in the field or you really want to you could send it back.

 

Actualy ricku,panzerfaust was made as infantry (rifleman etc) weapon,where 1 soldier can carry a rifle,and AT weapon,and panzerschreck was made as pure AT weapons,2 crewmans was specialized for that role.

Then u can ask this:Is it betther that 20 soldiers carry rifles,for infantry finghts and 20 panzerfaust for AT fight,r is betther to 20 soldiers carry 10 panzerschreck? Most modern AT infantry weapons r 1 use only,and panzerfaust was first of them.Dont forget that armor newer go alone,especialy in urban areas,where panzerfaust and panzeschrecks was most walue AT weapon.

 

A story from some one I shoot with:
He had a friend who joined the free Belgium forces during the war and escpaed to Britain. This Belgian was supossedly crap with every form of weapo that required precise aiming, ie. rifles, Bren guns ect.... but he had a knack for weapons that could just be pointed, in particular panzerfausts. So where ever he went his squad mates tried to get him a panzerfaust or a PIAT. I do not now how true this story is but one day they came across a group of Germans with a pram and naturally opened fire. This Belgian fired his panzerfaust and hit the pram. There was a massive explosion. They eventauly realised after speaking to a POW that the pram ad part of a rifle companies supply of panzerfausts in it.
like I said I do not know how true the story is but I thought some of you might find it of interest.

 

As far as I know, most of the modern 1-shot AT systems (such as the LAW) are now insufficiently powerful to kill a modern tank.

Most Western nations (at least) seem to use reloadable missile systems.


As to 'faust vs 'schrecks.

The Panzerfaust was indeed intended as an idiot-proof AT weapon, and was exceptionally good in its role. However, it did require quite strong nerves to wait until the tank was close enough to get a 'guarenteed' kill.

They were great in urban environments where you could 'just' lean round a corner or out of a window, but in more open areas where cover is more limited, give me a 'schreck any day. The advantage in both range and penetration is a must here.

Surely the soldiers that carried the ammo for the 'schreck would carry weapons, making it 20 soldiers with 10 rifles & 10 'schrecks. Or, in a more balanced reality, 18 soldiers with rifles and 2 soldiers with schrecks.

And, of course, each 'schreck is reusable. Allow 3 rounds per team of 2, which gives you either:

20 soldiers, 20 rifles, 20 panzerfausts

20 soldiers, 10 rifles, 10 panzerschrecks, 30 rockets

20 soldiers, 18 rifles, 2 panzerschrecks, 6 rockets. Though the remaining 16 soldiers could surely carry some.

And when the resupply lorry comes with more AT weapons, guess whether it could fit more Panzerschreck rockets or more Panzerfausts on it?


However, if I was an infantryman, I'd love to have a 'faust with me. Sure, it is extra weight, which is an irritant, but it gives me the chance to hit back at a tank, which is a big morale boost.

 

I believe the panzerfausts came in cratesaboutr 4-6 in each crate don't know the demensions, but they wouldnt be much bigger than the panzerfausts because they seemed to fit in their pretty snug.

 

In last was on Ex Yu,one friend who was in battles carryed 5 "zolja" launchers on his back :lol: ("zolja" is one use 64mm rocket launcher,similar to western LAW,it is aprox 3Kg heawy) but he was bigg guy 15kg more on him mean notthing much

Indeed panzerschreck was betther weapon then a panzerfaust (range,accuracy) but it is specialized weapon.Actualy gernas done good job with bouth ,coz they made 2 similar weapons with diferent doctrine of use,and owkors with advantages and disadvantages.For me,main and edge advantage of panzerfaust is that u can use it if tank come in range,and then continue to fight ws infantry ,it was easy for use,double lighter to carry it,ordinary infantryman can operate with it.And interesting thing was that bouth weapons got apox the same AP power (200mm) what is not case in modern disposable and standard AT infantry weapons,and it is double then PIAT r bazooka.Any of that weapon can efectifly kill T-34 r IS-2 when bazooka got problem to penetrate T-34/85 in corean war.

 

Plus the Russians would just plow throught the line and not stop infront of it and shoot, well at least many times they did and the Panzerfausts would have a clear cut advantage in that as well. With many panzrfausts could quickly be used at the tanks advancing on your position while the Panzershrek would have to be reloaded after ever shot.

1. Does anyone know how long it took an experienced soldier with his assistant to reload a panershrek?
2. Does anyone know why I always have the urge to spell Panzerfaust and Panzershrek with a capital letter?

 

I can't answer your first question I'm afraid, but the second is because that's the correct spelling. In German, all nouns are spelled with a capital letter.

 

sinissa:
US forces in Korea had problems knocking-out T-34/85s only when they were armed with 2.75 inch bazookas. (This was the only bazooka/ammo available in-theatre at the beginning of the ahem... Korean "Conflict.")
When they were later equipped with 3.5 inch bazookas, they were able to knock-out T-34/85s much more consistantly.
When hositilities broke-out, I've read of stories where artillerymen depressed the barrels of their 105mm howitzers and fired HE-rounds point-blank at T-34/85s trying to knock a track-off, or somehow stop them... with little effect.
In those early "Pusan Perimeter" days, US forces took a beating. I worked with a guy that was M-26 Pershing crew in Korea. He told me his tank once fired a 90mm main-gun round at an NKA soldier pointing a bazooka at them. At the shot, both the bazooka and NKA troop disappeared. Most of their fire-missions were as mobile artillery, not that much tank-vs-tank stuff going-on as the war progressed.

Tim

 

Hey, check out my panzerschrek. Thats me firing the schrek.

 

is that home made or real?

 

Home made and shoots real rockets. It works by pressing one button.

 

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Impressed! is that at the JB weekend??

 

No. Its from a small ww2 event in south Arkansas. We did use it at JB, but the one of our guys could not hit the tank. Also, true, is he got into touble, becasue some GI's were to close to the tank. We could have hurt them if we had fired it.. :-?