Partisans in Greece,Yugoslavia,the Balkans ECT

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Civilian victims were 1160 and Germans 18

 

I didnt say that....Yes it was a big strategic point...But it took more hits then it should have...It wasnt a planed bombing it was just "do as much damage as you can"....Like Dresden...

Anyways its past and only we can do now is talk....Zadar is renewed so there is no need to start any kind of fight about it....

 

Dresden was bombed by the western allies at the request of the Soviets. Perhaps the same is true here as well?

 

Probably not the same reason here...
Well i dont know how they teach you people in america but in Croatia we were told that USA was doing that to show how big firepower they have....Soviets were doing the same thing on Berlin....

 

I'm not privy to the minutes of the meetings between the RAF,USAAF, and the Red Air Marshalls concerning Croatia, but the minutes and records concerning Dresden are in the public domain.

When the Deputy Chief of the Soviet General Staff (General Antonov), asked about events relating to the Western Allied strategic bomber force at the Yalta conference, he had two specific requests. The first was to establish the demarcation of a bomb-line running north to south which was designed to avoid accidentally bombing Soviet forces as they advanced toward the west, i.e. Western Allied aircraft would not bomb east of the chosen line without specific Soviet permission.

The second was a request to hamper/hinder and disrupt the movement of troops from the western front, such as from occupied Norway and Italy, toward the east to face the Red Army; in particular by eliminating the rail junctions of Berlin and Leipzig with aerial bombardment. In response to the Soviet questions, the British RAF man, Portal (who was in Yalta) sent a request to Bottomley back in Great Britain. Asking for Bottomley to send him a list of objectives which could be discussed with the Soviets. The list sent back to him included the oil plants, tank and aircraft factories and the rail junction cities of Berlin and Dresden (my emphasis).

In the discussions which followed, the Western Allies pointed out that unless Dresden was heavily bombed (with complete effort), the Nazis could simply re-route rail traffic through Dresden to compensate for any damage caused to Berlin and Leipzig's north/south connections. Antonov agreed and requested that Dresden be added to his list of requests. I myself believe this was how Dresden became one of targets selected to degrade German lines of communication, transport, production, and bring the Nazi regime another example of the "total war" upon which they had embarked.

Still existing archival RAF Air Staff documents state that it was their intention to use RAF bomber command to "destroy communications; to hinder the eastward deployment of German troops, and to hamper evacuation, but not to kill the evacuees."

The priority list drafted by Bottomley for Portal, so that he could discuss targets with the Soviets at Yalta, included only two eastern cities with a high enough priority to fit into the RAF targeting list as both transportation and industrial areas. These were Berlin and Dresden. Consequently both were targeted heavily directly following the Yalta Conference. Berlin had been bombed before, of course from the east and the west, but the bombing intensified until the Red Army was on the outskirts. Then the western airforce bombing of the Berlin area let up.

 

^^^ well they dont teach that here....

 

Perhaps they should!

 

I found this:
Attack on Zagreb at the end of war (U.S. shelling of Zagreb, requested by partisans)

Its on Croatian but you can still look at the video

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yes they should...by not teaching they are changing the history....

 

Zara (Zadar) was attacked 4 times by 15th AF heavy bombers. Three missions targeted the port areas, and one targeted an airfield. The largest number of bombers on any of the four missions was 37, two missions sent 24 bombers, and the other had only 12 bombers. If the intent was to "do as much damage as you can", the whole 15th AF would have been dispatched instead of a single bomb group or a squadron strength unit.

The other raids on Zara were conducted by medium bombers of the 12th AF, hardly the correct tool to "do as much damage as you can".

 

Going off topic a bit here Biak, but I’m reading, and re-reading a great book right now which doesn’t deal with WW2 at all (forgive me for I have sinned), but is doing a better job of explaining "string theory" to me in layman's terms than any other work I have tackled. It is; The Fabric of The Cosmos by Brian Greene.

And I was struck the other night by one portion in which he was discussing the possibilities of teleporting, and time travel in a quantum universe using the unique properties of said quantum physics/mechanics.

At any rate even though I am slightly older, he and I must be about the same age, as he recalled that as a young man in High School he had marveled at the "new" Star Trek series on CBS, and while he accepted the poetic license of its transporter, the fact that all the alien life forms they encountered spoke perfect American-English without a "translator device" for the most part, the hand held phaser weapons, and Star Trek's tricorders as not stretching the bounds of believability in the twenty-fourth century.

He did however find the computer on the Enterprise to be completely unbelievable, since he knew where computers were at the time of the late sixties. Mr. Greene writes that he simply couldn’t foresee talking computers that responded to verbal inquires, or that had access to most all the books and information ever written by human beings.

And there he was; only some forty some years later, using a voice recognition laptop with a screen reader, connected to the world wide web by Wi-Fi in his kitchen, while he microwaved a bag of popcorn. His point was "be careful of what you find unbelievable."

 

Few photos of yugoslav partisans:

Bihać-Bosnia



Ljubljana-Slovenia



Some other photos





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More photos

Attack on bunkers



Waiting for german panzer tanks



Nikšić-Montenegro



Plitvice lakes-Croatia



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Partisans entering Zagreb



And the sam place day after



"We must not leave wounded" Tito



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In the second last picture of post 36 it appears as if the guy on the left of the first tan has a Browning .30cal LMG. Were the partisans getting weapons smuggled from the U.S.? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I don't see why you think that's an m1919, you can only see then handle and the barrel (barely). The body seems to be too big, the barrel wasn't exactly too uncommon and...i refuse to judge a LMG by the handle >_>

Could be wrong though... i mean m1919s were great mounts...which is what it's doing in the photo.

 

it was at the the ending of the war...i think 1945 so maybe pratisans were trading with U.S. army....I really dont know...