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Russian Navy "On Verge of Collapse"

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by GRW, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    That's Australia's thinking also...sink a bunch of ships before they get to Australia...subs are good for that...
     
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  2. Takao

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    Yes, the devil is in the details.


    I'm not. You have pretty much painted yourself into a corner with your generalizations and outright falsehoods.


    More generalizations and falsehoods...

    The US SLBM missile progression is UGM-27 Polaris A-1, A-2, and A-3, followed by the UGM-73 Polaris C-3, then the UGM-96 Trident I C-4, and finally the UGM-133 Trident D-5. For a total of 6 missiles.

    The Soviets/Russians have entered into naval service some almost twice the number of US SLBMs - 11 missiles.

    The Russian missiles are most certainly "newer". However, "more advanced", or for that matter "more capable" is far less certain.

    Finally, the Trident II is in the middle of it's life extension series of upgrades which is expected to complete sometime in 2017-18. Yet again calling into question your statement that Russian SLBMs are "more advanced" than US SLBMs.
     
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    Takao,
    There are no "generalization" or "falsehoods" regatding the above. Im afraid you have missed my point.Im not interested in how many missiles the US or Russia have built overtime and I never mentioned such in any of my posts. What I did claim was that the US CURRENTLY HAS ONE ICBM TODAY. This ICBM is the Trident II. The Trident 1 was retired in 2005 and the Polaris sits in a museum rather than missile silo. The Russians on the other hand have since built three ICBMs of which at least one (I suspect) has also been upgraded. Im afraid that you will have a very difficult time convincing any serious enthusiast that the Top M is less capable than the Trident II let alone the Yars. These missiles have the ability to change trajectory in mid flight to avoid detection. The US is desperately involved in trying to counter this.
     
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    Captain Kirk and Ben Cartwright are of Canadian extraction as well.
     
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    What about this cowboy? He is a Canadian too:

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Poppy

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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    Try it again please. Your Cananadian Cowboy pic didn't stick eh.
     
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    IF I had to guess...He is referencing Marty McFly
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    hehehhe. Yep
     
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    Yes, he's definitely a Cananadian.
     
  11. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    No guns...

    Isnt that you Pop? On your way to get your boots fixed?
     
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    Don't crouch down while wearing spurs dude!
     
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    MJ Fox was a Canadian 55 year old actor playing a highschool kid in the Back To The Future series.
    Canadian equivalent of Gary Coleman.
     
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    I think he's about 55 now maybe. The "Back to the Future" franchise was 30 years ago, in the big hair days of the 80s.
     
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    Takao is right, that was Clint .... I mean Marty McFly
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    Yes the above is old news.

    Imagine a missile flying to NY for example. The missile detects itself being tracked... In response it changes targets and flies to Philadelphia instead.

    The "Rubezh", is not only capable of doing that but upon re entry drops straight down like a rock and proceeds to the target as a cruise missile.... This is Ofcourse all in theory but if the missile is in fact capable of such, it is very scary.
     
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    It is a very pretty vessel. The Red deck has always been part of the Russian Navy I believe. The Zircon anti ship missile that will be on the vessel soon is quite formidable. Many claim that the Zircon missile renders carrier groups obsolete.
     
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    I think the red is just anti rust gear not painted over...this missile intrigues me but...it’s big...it has a huge hear signature...I understand it’s speed disallows conventional or kinetic weapons...but aren’t the Americans working on high energy weapons? Weapons that fire at or close to the speed of light? This missile looks trackable...so a burst strong enough could still take out super high speed missiles...especially if the whole process is given over to a set of computers...I can see this being a game changer for all except the US...and maybe China, for what the US has China probably does too...
     
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    Silly claims like this are not uncommon but that doesn't make them any less silly. A missile like this would make it more dangerous for a carrier group that had to face a ship carrying it. That's a long way from making carriers or carrier groups obsolete. Here's a rather balanced view IMO:
    Don't believe the hype about Russia's hypersonic missile
     

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