Soviet Command's true face

Oh, I see. Almost funny. The German women had to do something, there weren't that many men of the master race left by then.

 

I can't believe my eyes! that scumbag Goebbels sure was good at his line of work...







Execution of women by Nazis

Chronicles of the Vilna Ghetto: Photo Gallery :: EUROPE

It's 6 in the morning and I'm too tired to make a proper search. Do it yourselves and learn something in the process.

german atrocities - Pesquisa do Google

 

I'm going to go with Alexander Werths Observations on this.

Bad things did happen in the winter of 1944/45 as the armies of Russia entered the Prussian homeland and Germany proper. Just as bad things happened in the occupied lands of Russia. Who is to blame?

I am more than willing to say that considering the policies of the Nazi high command, they victimized the German people also. Some of them were never punished.

We need to give credit where credit is due.

One the pic, why are the men wearing shoulder boards. Was this normal? I doubt very much that Russian soldiers wore insignia on their uniforms in a war zone although I have heard that German soldiers wore medals visible in such circumstances. Did the Red Army? Was it a preferance?

 

Za, I had no idea these things took place. very sad.

 

No??? I thought it was self-evident!

What do you think happened here? Does any name ring a bell to you?
List of Nazi-German concentration camps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holocamp.html

And outside, like in Babi Yar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia just for an instance?

 

Whats wrong with hanging or shooting traitors and spies? Oh...I forgot,it was the Germans doing it. the hanging)

 

In war, an act of heroism is also a punishable crime. Why else would the German generals that had been awarded iron crosses be hanged?

 

These very same generals ordered the hanging of many of their adversaries. It was only fair that they be treated with the same dignity.

 

I've other pictures too and links, because we always see the German crimes but what about the other side?

Note: Germany did War crimes do not denie it, either do not denie that the other side didn't. It was war.

I've a DVD, where you see a video what Russians did with
Germans in Russia (Note: At the exact time Germany invaded Russia)

Photos of Russian War Crimes:

German family murdered


Germans murdered by Russian, Note: Look good to the photo
and you'll see that it aren't just murders.



Russian canibalisme on Germans




LINK: Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps - Telegraph


German War Crimes:

 

Sturmkruez,Good post. The 'very' pro Russia and anti German anything, members here might get confused with such facts. I have a good (depending on how you look at it)read titled 'German Woman In Russian Hands'. It was first published in 1950. The war was still pretty fresh in the worlds mind. As time went by, the politically correct BS really took off. Such as what one can find on here. In a lot of case's they just don't know any better. They only know what has been drilled into their heads.Like the saying goes..Those that win the war,write the history.(their version) Anything to the contrary is considered sacrilege.

 

Or it might be that as time went on, more and more secret archives were opened to the public showing the true face of the glorious Germans which you so much admire while at the same time almost but discrediting books written during the 50's.

 

The brutality of the German occupation (and their assorted ethnic "legionaires") is so far easily the worst of the 20th century. It was a matter of policy (racial supremacy) and it was carried out as such.

The Russians and the partisans were doing what is normal, they were resisting an invader, for good reason. It's better to die with a gun in your hand than as a slave, which is basically what the powers that be in Germany at the time had in store for them.

I strongly recommend you read Alexander Werths "Russia at War" before you stick your heads onto the chopping block. There is some writings on what the Russian army found when they pushed the German army back from Moscow into the Smolensk, Veliki Luki, Kholm, Orsha, Borodino areas. These are areas that had been under German occupation for some time, 1941, the winter of 1942 or longer. Kharkov, Bryansk and Belgorod to the south was a similar situation.

Here is a part of Mansteins Reichnau order. It is telling.

This order, this policy, doomed millions to slow death by malnutrition, disease and exposure to the elements.

What is the excuse for this? I see the reasoning behind it, he had to feed his army. But the key question arises. What was the Army doing there?

 

I really must say, a real disgrace for the allies was the fact that Manstein wasn't turned over to the Russians. He lived till 1973. Sad. Better men than him died trying to change the situation there such as Erwin Rommel.

 

Chuikov, take off your rose colored glasses! What the Russians did to their own people even prior to WWII was far worse then what the Germans did! Not to mention what the Russians did to their own people once they liberated them. Theres a book coming out about that too, how Russian troops would rape every woman ages 10 - 80 that they came in contact with, in Russian villages that had been occupied by the Germans, POW camps and Concentration Camps, etc etc. Theres a reason why there were over 2 million abortions every year - EVERY YEAR - from '44 - '49. I'm not talking about in the world, i'm talking about in Russian Occupied Zones.

 

Well, it seems men are capable of horrible things whatever their nation, since the German men were sent to camps in Siberia....

"Beevor points out that there were about two million illegal abortions performed in Eastern Germany from 1945-1948." ( and that´s only Eastern Germany ).

 

The Occupation and its Offspring: Lost Red Army Children Search for Fathers - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

That must be really weird to look for the man/men who raped your mother....

What do you do? Hug the man or shoot him? Even if it´s thanx to him probably that you exist.

 

Chuikov pure Bullcrap. Worsest thing of 20th let we say STALIN'S REGIME.. 40 Million people died!

Maybe you forgot but Stalin let his troops die in swamps! Stalin trusted nothing, he didn't even trusted himself. Pore troops who died in the swamps.. They said Germans never will come trough, well Stalin wanted them their to stay without anything.

Everybody who retreated got shot, because if you retreat there's something you don't have. What should I say for Stalin: "Kill for your Motherland or killed by your Motherland?" I wanna see Stalin in pure Battle, I wanna see him fighting in the "Rattenkrieg", I wanna see him in the swamps, I wanna see him seeing his best comrades get killed or the moments you don't have any food, clothes and munition left.

Instead of sitting behind that desk being selfish. Sorry for those who think I'm that wrong as hell.. But for me those people are PURE COWARDS. I know maybe you can have a high rank, your a leader and everything but then shoot your own men who have enough of war? Who had enough of the killing, the murders? And call them cowards because they didn't wanted to die for him?!

I wanna see those Stalin and Stalin's boys.. Fighting in the last days of Berlin. There are not many people who can tell what happend and how horrible it was while there. All those young kids fighting to their death because Hitler didn't wanted to surrender, I know surrendering is hard.. You don't know what will happen or what they will do but if you don't wanna surrender.. GO fight yourself don't let young kids do the fighting. At least some high German Officers still fought and had enough of Hitler and his mistakes, they went outside and fought next to those heroic and brave children. Not all did it, but most did.

I don't care if you win a war or not. I care about those who fought, those who were heroic and brave and had enough courage to do it. Not that guy who went up, said how to or made some major moves and made some nice wins or eventualy won the war. No, why? Did they fought, did they made a sacrifice? Their sacrifice was their own people.

Got nothing more to say, but Chuikov THINK.. before you say crap.
I hope I speak for many.

 

Sturm is such a post really necessary?

This will be the only part which I will respond to, as everything else sounds the same.

Stalin's infamous order for "Not one step back" ONLY came at Stalingrad. The rest which retreated were and were shot were "Shtrafbat units".

The most acceptable and widely used number of Stalin's brutal regime is around 20-25 million NOT 40. Also, the Germans were responsible for 28 million Russian deaths in less then 5 years. Stalin managed this in 30.

So please lets stop comparing a foreign countries brutality against a sub-human people which they invaded to ONE brutal man resposible for punishing HIS own people!

Perhaps more reading is in order?

 

Where you there at that time?

So you say it's because it only happend at Stalingrad, there shouldn't be made a point of that?

So numbers do not count, only how many in years?

Well Russia managed to rape 15 Million of women in the last monts of World War II. Want more?:

“Kill, kill, you brave Red Army soldiers, kill. There is nothing in the Germans that is innocent. Obey the instructions of comrade Stalin and stamp the fascistic beast in its cave. Break with force the racial arrogance of the German women. Take them as your legal loot. Kill, you brave Red Army soldiers, kill!” Ilya Ehrenburg 1945.

Ironically, Ehrenburg, like Stalin himself, was Jewish.

However it was not only the Germans who suffered at the hands of Stalin’s victorious army, Russians did too; in particular the large Russian émigré population in Europe was to experience the depredations of the advancing Red Army. And in this regard the Russian Army was to receive help from an unlikely quarter. In an episode of infamy that has largely been ignored by the Western powers and their lapdog media Stalin was helped in an operation that has become known as one of history’s darkest episodes of betrayal: “Operation Keelhaul”.


Why always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler... Hitler?



40 Million:

"While it is difficult to compare evil, Stalin has to be considered much worse than Hitler. Certainly, he was responsible for the deaths of many more people than Hitler. The estimates of Russian deaths under Joseph Stalin are estimated to be 40 million (yes, forty million individuals!), including the approximately 10 million killed as a result of Stalin's collectivization of the Russian farms in the early 1930s. Even Hitler (who killed twenty million individuals!) did not come close to matching these numbers."

"Though the death rates are not known with any certainty for either dictator, no one doubts that the murders perpetrated by Stalin's policies far exceed those of Hitler's. If six to eight million people were killed by Hitler, then Stalin killed at least 20-22 million. Some historians even venture to suggest that 40 million is a truer figure. Tragically, no one will ever know."


Sloniksp what you said 20-25 million is not the MAXIMUM it's like the MININUM.