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Somewhat true Tomcat. But later in the war quite a few of the troops were Wehrmacht,Kriegsmarine,Luftwaffe and others who were dragooned into the SS.

 

But that is exactly my point. Even if they were "dragooned" into the SS does that automatically put them on the same level criminally as the actually volunteer members of the SS?

 

Not at all. Only the same level if they commited the same kind of crimes. They probably did dragoon some of the more criminally inclined from the others services too.

 

They willingly joined such an organisation, knowing full well what it had been up to and the horrible atrocities it was associated with. There is no excuse for joining it and I'm surprised people are trying to create sympathy for them.

 

"They willingly joined such an organisation, knowing full well what it had been up to and the horrible atrocities it was associated with."

So? Are you claiming that all who willingly joined knew of the crimes that had been commited by some members and units of the SS? And BTW I am by no means trying to create any sympathy for those who did commit those crimes and atrocities. My friends and fellow posters who know me well know how I feel about the SS. Now were what they did written about in the media? Was it well reported? Were they really that well known? Where did they get this knowledge and information of the crimes and atrocities before they joined up? The Wehrmacht had commited or helped in some atrocities also. Do you condemn those who joined the Wehrmacht too? And I do have to say that what you stated is a pretty broad statement. Perhaps you could then provide some of your sources that say that they did. Or is that your opinion?

 

Well i am communist my friend, not pure communism as you may state but a left wing peronist (something i think you dont know what it is). And if everyone got to read a book of Marx he would become a socialist as well.

 

Quite, although it's very much a catch-22, which is more the point I was making. I believe the judgement was a judicial, and prudent, saving of time and effort.

Otto Skorzeny is a good example of this I think. Obersturmbannführer in the Waffen-SS, once tagged as the "Most dangerous man in Europe.". Outstanding soldier, brave to the point of lunacy, and a good commander, who had Yeo-Thomas, no stranger to German brutality, testify in his defence at Nuremburg along with a petition from British Commando asking for them to be tried should Skorzeny be found guilty.

 

Maybe MOST(not all) of the Dirlewanger brigade could be considered criminals. Anyways, it doesnt matter joining that unit meant a death sentence

 

Well , it really depends on which side you are ..an employee or an employer. Marx is not adressing capitalists, but those opressed by them. Yet, It doesnt amaze me the bitter anti-communism in USA, which is not pure freedom at all (Mcarthism, internment japanese camps during ww2, segregation of black people for a great part of the 20th century). Nevertheless reading the capital requires certain intellectual preparation to be understood.
To fully understand the brilliant Marxist theory, i recommend Lenin´s State and Revolution which is and adaptation of Marxist ideas to 20th century.
And believe me, Marx would have dissaproved Stalinism completely.

 

Vet, I had no idea you were a Republican after all, the impression I had of you was as a compagnon de route at least!

Well, I don't recall those being Karl Marx's exact words but...

[where's the shrug smilie? ]

How far off does this thread has to go off-topic before it gets terminated, eh?

 

Ive read it too. And it is the biggest amount of drivel there can be. I dont which is the biggest flight of fancy. At least with Mein Kampf I couldn't stop laughing. It was certainly more entertaining.

 

You can say that in front of my university pals. Either you are narrow minded and capitalists or you dont understand the book.

 

Yes I'd have to agree, they're a must-read because of the authors and it's effect but they're painfully dire. Perhaps the Spanish editions have pictures of naked women in them...

Ahhh well demonising or belittling those who dare to disagree is the first sign of a discussion lost... One - Nil to the narrow minded stupid capitalists then.

 

Yes, we as narrow minded capitalists are rather stoopid, certainly not up to the level of your university pals. I wonder why you still have the patience to come here to people of such low intellectual level.

Your signature is interesting too, let's see if my translation is approximate enough, for the enlightenment of our non-Castillian speaking colleagues, poor half-wits.

Quaint, isn't it?

 

Mine is the USA attitude? And daring to disagree is linked to military actions?

 

I hear the scraping of a soapbox. :headbash: :rant: :eatpopcorn1:

 

yes it is, but it is a comedy song about montoneros

 

And this thread is closed. Not like you guys didn't see it coming. Infractions also being dealt out.