Support Our Troops

V-slav, I think enough people have said here, learn your facts about Ireland before you post about it. I dont claim to be an expert, I only know what I have read about since studying it for A-level, but not much more. The whole situation is far more complex than it appears but I should like to point out that for the most part we were talking about the British military involvement in 'the troubles', which at this time is that of peace keeping and generally trying to keep people safe. I have friends who have seen the conflict from the other side (as protestant civilians) and they have told me that if it werent for the troops on the streets they would not be alive today, whilst this opinion isn't universal it does have a point. Once again, learn something about it before you try to tell others about it and learn from a reliable source rather than a web site. If you want a good book there is a good one called 'home rule and the irish question', I forget the author but it is short, provides a good overview of the issue in the 18th-20th centuries and will put you in a good position to start to ask others about it.

As for KT, it surprises me that even he would post that (not that i didn't like the chap, unconventional but made sense at times). Oh well. Nice to see the moderator system works though.

 

I'm also against this brutal war, it's even an act of crime for me. But I don't wish that a lot of soldiers die. From both sides that is.

This war should not have happen in the first place.

BTW V-slav I'm also against the Brittish occupation in Northern Ireland.

 

Semantics, but I'm from Germany and actually I don't have too much remorse on some of my German nazi anchestors who died on their way of making Europe and Russia aryan. Don't feel like a traitor because of this, though.

Cheers,

[ 29. March 2003, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Erich Brown ]

 

Count me in. I'm not pround either on the fact that a few hundred soldiers killed thousands and thousands of people in Congo.

[ 29. March 2003, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Erich Brown ]

 

Hmmmmmmmm

 

Erwin - Britian is not 'occupying' Northern Ireland? The people there ARE British as they want to be, the province IS part of Britain. The Army went in when the situation was too big for the police to control. When the fire service in England went on strike for more pay, the Army came in with fire engines. I don't think they were 'occupying' London? When the National Guard is called out in America to deal with emergencies, are they invading occupiers?

No.9

 

Erased as I promised.

[ 30. March 2003, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Heh heh heh, PS: Otto--I absolutely love the change underneath its name. Way to go my friend

 

Just a question, would he have been banned if he had wished that a lot of Iraqi soldiers would die?

Best regards/ Daniel

 

Ill try to answer this simply by saying that I dont wish large numbers of Iraqis to die either. Nobody losing their life is worth it losing it over their insane dictator. Its a terrible shame that many have died because of that insane monster in control of that country.

Or another possible answer:

knight got itself banned--nobody else had a hand in that.

 

Americans Rally Support for Troops

Wednesday, March 26, 2003

DETROIT, Mich. — Americans across the country are fed up with anti-war sentiments hogging the headlines, so they're putting out a message of their own: Support American troops and the United States of America.

When anti-war posters began showing up on lawns around Detroit, Mike Ballard decided to make some of his own in support of U.S. troops fighting in Iraq.

"We just felt that this was an opinion that wasn't expressed," Ballard said.

And Illinois businessman Mark Batinick decided to fund his own pro-troops radio campaign.

"I'm sick of the anti-Americanism," Batinick said.

Along with two other friends, Batinick forked over $2,500 for a radio ad supporting the U.S. and coalition mission overseas. He said he's tired of hearing the anti-war cries voices by what he says is a minority of Americans.

"Unlike many people protesting American policy towards Iraq, I live in the real world," Batinick said. "I was talking to two of my buddies and we were really ticked about the support some people are giving Saddam Hussein."

Nationwide, with the war now underway, more Americans are coming forward to support their troops.

In Wisconsin, half of the town of New Auburn lined a highway overpass to cheer on deploying soldiers.

They quickly organized the rally after learning a convoy was coming through town.

And in South Dakota, one dad is putting up a flag each day, for each day his son is away on active duty.

"One flag every day until he comes home," said dad Fred Keifer.

"I'm proud of my son," Keifer said. "He's doing his duty. That's what he's in the service for. And I'm doing something for him."

For Kevin Henson, it's the service of his brother, Scott, that motivated him to put up Scott's picture at a Sam's Club in Brandon, Fla., to join photos of all service members in that community.

It's all part of a campaign called Neighborhood Heroes, which was founded by Sam's Club employees.

As part of the project, Sam's Club displays the pictures of local troops in the front of the store to serve as a patriotic reminder. The store is also donating care packages to the featured troops.

"A couple of us came together and said, 'hey we need to do something for the troops heading overseas,' to let the people in the neighborhood realize and our members here realize that we care about them," Henson said. "And whenever they come back, we have open arms waiting for them."

That very need continued to galvanize Americans of all stripes as they step forward with pro-American messages of all kinds.

Local news stations around the country, such as WJXT in Chicago, are inviting area resident to send in names of people serving in the military or civilians working to support the war effort here at home so that the station can profile them on the air.

About 5,000 people rallied in downtown Bellevue, Wash., Saturday in the biggest pro-troops demonstration yet in western Washington. Participants lined the streets while holding American flags and pro-troops signs. It was sponsored and organized by radio station 570 KVI.

"I mean we love our country and we know what our good president is doing," participant Carol Cassidy told KOMO TV.

Bob Riggins told KOMO TV that he's supporting the sons and daughters of America, including his own.

"He called me last night and says all he sees is the protests and the demonstrations against the war," Riggins said of his son stationed in Korea. "And he doesn't see any of the support and I told him we're out here."

Last Saturday, residents of Saco, Maine, lined Main Street with yellow ribbons, hanging them on utility poles from the war monument at the top of downtown to the Amtrak station, to show support for the troops despite the anti-war sentiment there. The ribbons were paid for by Owen Davis Post 96 of the American Legion.

"It's a great idea," post Commander David Walker, who was in Vietnam, told the Portland Press. "(Soldiers) are doing a service for this country. They deserve the respect and support of the American people regardless of how you feel about (the war)."

"It's a great, patriotic thing to do," Debbie Davis, the owner of the store making the ribbons, told the Press. "I don't totally support war, but I totally support the troops."

 

reason for dispute nullified

[ 31. March 2003, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: AndyW ]

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion here, and I can honestly say that had sentiments for Iraqi soldiers to be killed, have been expressed on this forum, it would have produced the same result. We gather here to discuss a common interest in WW2, not to marvel at the destruction it wreaked on earth for 6 years.
We do not celebrate death, we are here to bring up matters of interest-Ostfront, WSS, etc...

I have to agree with Andy though-now that KT is gone, we all denounce him, hoping that he will be investigated for a federal offence-my reaction in my last posting was pure anger, now that it has subsided, we must realise that we would never say such things when Knight was present, but now we all act tough after he has left.

We opened this topic because we believe in the validity of world events, and this is our oppourtunity to express our ideas regarding such matters. We all have differing views, and I believe that we can express those views without going berserk or fanatical as Knight did. As such, I stand by the Judgement Otto made to expel Knight Templar from our forums, and if we could continue such 'touchy-touchy' threads in a more civilised manner, this forum will be teh palce we talk of-fun, wholesome chat and debating.

Thankyou Gents...

 

Sorry me old mucker, I disagree with most of your post, but I dont want to go into that, just wanted to point out that a double negative is when you have two words meaning 'negative' in a sentence to create a 'positive', for example 'it aint not right' which literally means it is right, the two negatives (id est 'aint' and 'not' cancel each other out). I think you meant a double standard. Semantics anyone?

As for KT, frankly I liked having someone unorthadox around who would occaisionally suggest things contrary to the norm, reminds me that free speech does stand still, oh well, so much for that (but I do support Ottos decision, mainly because I would be furious if he said similar things about the British troops). Since we are talking about Iraq I would like to suggest people put the idea of Iraqi people fighting for an 'insane monster' out of their minds, I doubt many are, he is just a symbol of resistance against the laughably named 'coalition of the willing'. I am not ashamed to say that I am more and more impressed by the Iraqi soldiers, for right or for wrong they are fighting hard, how can you not respect men who will charge a column of M1 tanks in a jeep with a .50 on the roof!?!?

PK, you are bang on, its all very well to act tough now that KT can't answer back, frankly I respected him simply because he was willing to express his views even if they were a little unorthadox. I also doubt that anyone would have been in trouble for saying that Iraqis should die, I seem to remember having seen similar comments made with no one countering or warning the commenter.

 

K had been warned on several occassions even last year before some of you members came on board. In fact I got into a crap throwing match beween the two of us which ended up in Otto locking the thread as it was going nowhere...... Re-reading Kn9ghts profile before he was banned was enough for the warning lights to come on !

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As promised--Gone.

[ 31. March 2003, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Carl, dont worry about the double negative thing, I wasnt suggesting you didnt know what it meant just found it rather a funny (and uncharacteristic) slip. As for the rest, blowing off steam is a good thing as long as its just steam and no fire (if you see what I mean). Anyhow, this topic has gone from bad to worse to weird. I think we should go back to discussing WW1, far more sensible.

 

No problem Stefan and those last two postings be me will be deleted as soon as I get a reply from those who they were directed at--more or less. I just what them to have time to read them so their answers will have been answered.

 

Carl, I think I have the answer to all these problems. I reckon everyone should turn off the news and the Moderators should adminster a compulsory dose of Monty Python 'stat! This could be washed down with some Ian Dury? What you think? Should cool tempers a little.