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The Best Tank in WW2

Discussion in 'The Tanks of World War 2' started by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2004.

  1. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Weren't there some varients with 2 fixed mgs in the hull?
     
  2. DesertWolf

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    I believe the Sherman I used by the British in operation Supercharge had one coaxial mg plus two in the hull.
     
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    "A comment on Sherman hull m.g.s. The first batches of M4A1s actually had two hull m.g., early production M4A2s also featured this arrangement "
     
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    Does anyone have any pictures of Shermans with two fixed MGs in the hull? I've never seen this specific type.
     
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    Only one i could find on the web. If you look closely you can see the MG barrels.
    I have seen a few others from the front in books and at Bovington tank museum, but not a real one.
    [​IMG]
     
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    scaramouche New Member

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    Kellhound that is actually the T6, the prototype vehicle for the M4 "Sherman"-nite the M2 gun with cunterweight, side-doors and M3=type suspension

    Here is an early production M4A2-Ricky nore the three hull-mounted Browning .30 cal. :smok:
     
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    Kellhound New Member

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    I know, but i couldn't find another one online :oops:
     
  8. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Thanks!
    That is exactly the one I was thinking of. :D
     
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    Duel MGs

    !!!
     
  10. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Danyel - nice picture. I suppose that confirms that the model with fixed mgs was sent out to front-line troops!

    btw - why the surprise?
     
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    I think it is sarcasm, Ricky.

    :-? ... Why the sarcasm, Danyel ?
     
  12. DesertWolf

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    Not to seem pushy but I believe ive already mentioned that the Sherman I used by the british at supercharge had two hull mgs ;) . Sorry I didnt provide any photos though.
     
  13. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    :oops: Sorry DesertWolf!
    Maybe I really should start reading better... :oops:
     
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    No prob Ricky, I shouldnt even have mentioned that ;) :oops:
     
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    i don't care about what the other people said. If my opinion is already stated, I will back up other people. The best tanks were:

    1. The T-34/85 They had thick slopped aromr, a large gun and we simple to make. they came in huge numbers in 1944/45. They were BETTER than TIger/kingtigers because they were easier to produce and more manuverable. More Practical is better than more heavy.

    2. The Panzer V Panther Ausf G. It was heavy, with thick sloped armor, but was still fast and manuverable. i already covered the problems faced durring the debute in operation Citadel by adding the Ausf G.

    3. The M-4 Sherman. The Sherman was fast, reliable, and had a respectable gun. Sure it wasn't the biggest, but it was good enough. The Sherman was mobile and well suited to the combet in Europe. The fighting was in cities a lot. I a city range means nothing. A Sherman could get close enough to a Tiger, Panther, Panzer IV, or King Tiger to blast through the weaker flank and rear armor. (a bazzoka, useless against the front of ANY german tank could easily penatrate the flank and rear armor of ALL german tanks). The Sherman was also just better in all aspect than the jap tanks to it ruled the pacific like a Titian King.



    By far the best aspects of the T-34/85 and Sherman was the mass-production ease. Panther could not ever hope to reach production quotas. They were simply to complex to make.
     
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    I apologize for the poorness of my spelling.
     
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    Yeah because none of them (Except the Firefly) ever got a gun that would pose any serius threat to German Tigers or Panthers !

    The T-34/85 is by far not the best tank ! It was the best in mass production easyness amongst the Sherman ! But essentially it was also easely built 'Gun-fodder' for German tanks !

    And the sloping frontal armor of the T-34/85, wouldnt give it any protection what so ever against a Tiger or Panther. Even at ranges above 2500m the Panther and Tiger would have no problem in destroying them !

    KBO
     
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    Except for the Sherman 76mm... ;)

    Good choices Wspauldo12! Personally I would have ranked the T-34 a little lower - the gun (76 or 85) were relatively underpowered, and while the vehicle was superb when it arrived, the Soviets failed to make improvements fast enough to stop it becoming outmoded. Well, ok, maybe 'outmoded' is a little strong, but certainly less effective than it could have been. However, the German love of big big guns and the nice open countryside they fought in on the Eastern Front gave any Allied tank there a disadvantage.

    Overall though, a good basic design that can swamp your enemy is far better than a few good heavies... To be honest, I'm not sure what my top tank would be. :-?
     
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    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Don't apologise! :D
    You're fine.
     
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    Jeffrey phpbb3 New Member

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    ''Overall though, a good basic design that can swamp your enemy is far better than a few good heavies... To be honest, I'm not sure what my top tank would be.''

    That is if you don't mind getting many, many tankcrews killed...
    And the russians certainly didn't care about there soldiers.
     

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