The KGM Bismarck

At least you got the fat one right, spelling and all Carry on with the spirit as stated in your first period and with time you will go far here

What's the matter with you? Haven't you even heard of my defence of the Wikipedia virtues? Of course Slipdigit's link is the much better one being the actual treaty text*, but if you had gone to Wikipedia before shooting your mouth off you'd have spared yourself the embarrassment :lol:

Well, as a matter of fact the Bismark hasn't been very much been in evidence as floating so it may safely be assumed that it sank or was sunk.

And the Hood as a battlecruiser (not a battleship) was not designed to face battleships off, at least that's what the theory says.

Read this text for an explanation. It even makes allusion to the Washington Treaty, Tomcat

* Holy cow!! One of the signatories was Baron Tomosaburo Kato, Minister for the Navy, Junii, a member of the First Class of the Imperial Order of the Grand Cordon of the Rising Sun with the Paulownia Flower

 

That's a good point you got there about the Hood being only a battle cruiser, no wounder she had no chance against the Bismarck.
The Hood was a great ship and i knew that i was missing some points about what happend between these two ships.
The way History protrays The hood being a mighty vessel, i didn't understand why she went down against the Bismarck so quickly.
A little battle cruiser against a huge Battleship. The HOOD is a Classic Ship.

 

After reading Slipdigits link, I have actually seen that before. Thankyou anyway.

 

here is a link to a good account of what happened. A number of things went wrong for the British, including a poor aproach that caused an inability to bring all guns to bear.

http://www.kbismarck.com/ds-barticle.pdf

 

Actually the correct spelling is, Hermann Göring.

 

Sorry Redcoat - I should have qualified my comment by saying 'gun firepower'. A close-range torpedo against a ship which has no guns left in action isn't, to me, quite the same thing....

 

Picky, picky! In the absence of the umlaut the "oe" for "ö" is acceptable. I don't have any ß in my keyboard either


For curiosity:
ß - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Antiqua-Fraktur dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Actually Za, I've had someone else tell me my spelling was incorect when I substituded ss insted of using the Eszett simble which isn't on my keyboard.

 

All those symbols are on your keyboard they just require a certain 'code' of numbers to display them for example. By holding the ALT key and pressing the numbers on the right of the keyboard you get ↕ (10257) ® (0174) Œ (0396) { (0123) Ÿ (0159) e (0357) and so on, I don't know all the codes, but they are there.

 

Wow, learn something new everyday. I'll have to get the codes and put a post-it on my computer. Thanks Tomcat

 

There you go mike

Windows Alt Key Codes

 

Humbug! Actually my keyboard carries the umlaut but no "esstzet" (ß). In any case the Swiss don't even use that, only the "ss" in lieu of. So the next time my german spelling looks funny it's because it's not German at all, it's Schweiz

 

~ M ~ can you do an Alt 225: ß ? have a dell keyboard in my case ........

and yes the Swiss use the ß as well as ss depending on whom you chat with.

148 = ö
129 = ü
132 = ä

HTH but maybe not

 

There's a simpler way:

Start button -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Character Map

Click the character you want, click copy, go to your document and paste.

 

If you know the codes it takes as long as it takes you to type in the numbers.

 

Mostly because she was firing at Eugen. They apparently were surprised they weren't hit and it's been suggested that if they had been Bismark (ie a larger target) they would have been. Bismark got lucky at Denmark straits.

 

I've always found it rather ironic that of all the ships that were involved in this battle that the Prinz Eugen was the only one that survived the war. I think that can be a testament to how much of an affect air power had on the war. It's even more amazing that she still exists to this day.

 

I believe the point of the mistaken identity between Bismark and Prinz Eugen is not "size" but length. The fire control measured range based on "apparent length" so if you believe your target is 794 feet (Bismark) while it's actually 635 (Prinz) you are going to overestimate the range and miss. I dont't know if the very similar profile of the two ships was by design but it did give them an initial advantage until the British realized the mistake.

 

Eugen was straddled fairly early on and several of the shells landed very close. From some posts over on the kbismark board there apparently are quotes from some of the Eugens crew which suggest those straddles would have produced one or more hits if Bismark had been in Eugen's place

 

June 2009:

Zetterling, Niklas and Michael Tamelander. Bismarck: A Minute by Minute Account of the Final Hours of Germany's Greatest Battleship

Don´t know if they got anything new to say but hope so!