The Lebensraum Lie - Theory

IQ on itself is laughable

 

France was a satisfied country, and some other countries had no interest in war (Switzerland, BeNeLux, Scandinavia) mainly because they had a small population.
All the other countries in Europe were aggressive when possible: Poland, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Soviet Union even Austria.
War wasn't a NoGo back then.

 

And when there was a flagrant aggression (september 1939), France and Britain (why always Britain and France) reacted by declaring war .

 

Why didn' t they declare war against Stalin?

 

Because British & French leaders were not as "intelligent" as Hitler was...Only a man of Hitler's "intelligence" would declare war on the USSR before ending the war he was still fighting.

 

Why was Germany always the instigator of the flagrant aggression?

 

Why did Poland not declare war against Stalin ?

 

Declare war against the Soviet "saviors"?

http://www.histdoc.net/history/FOFI1939-09-17.html

 

Poland and all the countries hated Communism and the USSR. The USSR tried to gain a pact with Poland in the years leading up to 1939 and Poland refused, as did England and France when Russia tried to gain alliances with them. Appeasing Hitler was a way to keep Stalin in check. If Hitler bypassed let Poland be and just attacked Russia, I bet the West would have just let them duel it out, and probably would have supplied Germany with Materiel over the Russians.

 

Central Europe did not want a war. The League of Nations was a direct result. Germany sat in the center of an appeasement region. Yes, the SU was biding their time, among others, but the swift political shift to aggression was forced.

 

Central Europe was a minefield and war was inevitable, with or without Hitler .

 

Prove it.

 

Conflicts were inevitable between


Germany and Poland

Poland and the USSR

Poland and CZ

CZ and Hungary

Hungary and Romania

Romania and the USSR

Greece and Bulgaria

Italy and Yugoslavia

Italy and Greece

Italy and Austria

And there were problems between Lithuania and Poland, Bulgary and Poland, Finland and the USSR, the Baltic states and the USSR


There were big domestic problems in Poland, Austria, CZ, Yugoslavia (an artificial state dominated by a Serbian minority ), Romania,...


Most of these states were dictatorships.

The fundamental problem (exacerbated by the interventions of Wilson) was that the multicultural A-H empire was succeeded by multicultural states founded on the principle of nationalism .

It was a minefield, that's why Britain refused after Versaille to guarentee the borders of the region , because these borders were only provisional,and war could only avoided if these borders were changed, but as no one accepted this, war was inevitable .

The situation was already very critical before WWI, it became worse after WWI .

 

Conflicts were possible sure, a few might be probable, but none were inevitable and all of them offered a low probability of triggering a World War with a Polish-German war being the only exception. Even then it would require a Hitler, or Hitler like personality to create the conditions for such a apocalypse to occur.

Hitler wanted to turn Europe into his personal empire, a Aryan's only playground. All the rest of your possible conflicts would have been small limited regional war's centered around modest border adjustments. Potentially the Soviet Union had both the ideology and resources to launch a super conflict, but history has shown that they prefer nibbling at the margins rather than going all out. They have always gone for the low hanging fruit and while it hasn't been pleasant for her neighbors, they retained most of their land and sovereignty.

In a another post you mentioned Marshal Foch's famous quote about a 20 year truce being the result of the Versailles Treaty, yet you as many casual historian's conveniently forget, the context in which he meant it. It isn't that he thought it too harsh, but rather it was not harsh enough. He advocated a French annexation of all the Rhineland, or at a minimum a occupation/demilitarization for 30 years, that's till 1950! His intents had more in common with the 'Morganthau' plan than any concept like a equatable peace. Which is odd considering he entered the French military just as Germany humiliated French arms in the War of 1870. The results created much the same economic/political chaos that would travail Germany two generations later.

Not only did he not learn from a history he himself experienced, he wanted to double down. His formative time in the French Military was suffused with Revanchism, culminated with the utter glee senior military commanders felt upon the beginning of the Great War.

The Versailles Treaty laid the ground for a autocratic and charismatic tyrant coming to power, but it alone did not make Hitler or WWII inevitable.

Foch could not foresee that the Communist's would prevail in Russia making a Nazi Germany seem a viable alternative. He could not foresee that France's ally Italy would turn their back on the Entente Cordial and make Right wing, military dictatorships seem fashionable in Europe, that another ally, Japan, would also ditch the alliance for a redistribution of Asian colonies. He could not foresee a global economic depression that would turn into hyper inflation in Germany, and into a situation where Britain and France would become excessively risk averse, confusing latent guilt with appeasement.

Nothing in life is inevitable save death itself and if you want to boil down human history to a single quote I offer a far better one,

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing " .

Edmund Burke seems to have a better understanding of human nature than Marshal Foch.

 

Was going to give you a salute for this, I however; reached my limit.

 

Not sure which countries you are speaking of when claiming "all the countries" but this isn't true. There were many countries in Europe and abroad that had communist sympathizers in office and within the ordinary population.

 

I'll ask again to please clarify the above?

 

About Burke :

1 ) It is not proved that he was the author of the quote

2) He was wrong : last century, millions of people have been murdered, but it is not so that good men did nothing .

3) About Central/Eastern Europe : it was a minefield and France and Britain decided wisely not to be involved in a minefield .

4 ) Besides, there was nothing that France and Britain could do to prevent a German invasion of Poland,which started WWII.The only who could prevent the invasion was Poland by capitulating for Germany's demands .

5 ) Nazi Germany was not seen as a viable alternative to the USSR,that's a post war /cold war argument that was popular in the US.

6 ) Latent guilt (an other invention ) had nothing to do with appeasement:appeasement was the traditional British policy .

7 ) Your knowledge of French history is lacking : in 1914 revanchism was no longer important in France . It was in any case less important than the desire in Germany to eliminate France for always . And there was much less glee in France than in Germany .

 

If Poland did not declare war on the SU,when it invaded Poland, why should France and Britain do this .

 

Poland did not exist anymore, the government of Poland left the country the day when the Red Army arrived.

A real conflict between the Soviet Union and France/Britain was only a matter of time, german troops found documents about planned attacks on soviet oil fields in France and handed them over to Stalin. That's why he always was extremly suspicious towards his western allies.