I'm at work so I don't have my books handy to provide you with specifics so I'll reply too the easy points first and the more in depth points later. Carl W Schwamberger wrote: I'm not trying to have it both ways. When I mentioned the swamping issue we were discussing troop carrying LVT's, specifically those used at Tarawa. What I said in reply to your statement was: We were discussing troop carrying LVT's (amtracs) they have an open cargo bay and were vulnerable to swamping in rough seas. This picture is from Tarawa and shows the two types of LVT used there. The LVT in the foreground is an LVT2 the amtrac behind it (#49) is an LVT1. Notice that they have an open cargo/troop compartment and though not evident in this picture, low freeboard. This LVT2 shown during the Saipan assault illustrates the low freeboard. What I suggested using was an LVT(A)4 type (amtank) and I specifically used that term. This is an LVT(A)4. Note the superstructure supporting the turret and enclosing the open compartment. Hence less likely to ship water. Therefore less susceptable to swamping, especially when compared to the DD Sherman. Also being designed as an amphibious vehicle from the start it has better performance in the water than the DD. The DD did have swamping problems, so suggesting that replacing the DD's with LVT(A)4's to provide direct fire support for the initial landings at Omaha is not contradictory to the rest of my argument. What you are doing is comparing apples to oranges. I too own Alexander's "Utmost Savagery" and in my opinion it is the gold standard for the history of the Battle of Tarawa and Robert Sherrods, "Tarawa: The Story of a Battle" the best eyewitness account. I have the Marine Corps Historical Monographs also, in fact I thought I had just about every book published on Tarawa. I am unaware of Sherrwoods work, is it good? "Bloody Tarawa" is by Eric Hammel and Lane not Sammel, I assume that was a typo. Anyway Hammel writes a lot of Marine Corps history and does a pretty good job (got this one also). I wasn't too impressed with "One Square Mile of Hell: The Battle for Tarawa". We agree that the initial wave of troops that landed at Tarawa landed relatively intact and I have so stated. If you take away the reef at Tarawa and put the troops into LCVP's instead, the units of the first wave would have arrived at the seawall just as intact as they did historically. So it doesn't necessarily translate directly to your supposition about the LVT's employment at Omaha. Gotta work, later.