The unknown holocaust

Nope... probably not.

the only contries whose soldiers did not rape/kill/maim on a grand level were America and Britain. The Germans, Japanese, French, and Russians are all guilty of this kind of conduct, though the latter two make the excuse that their country was pillaged first. Perhaps the desire for revenge was simply not with the Americans (probably was with the Brits).

If you consider the matter of civilian deaths on a numerical level, given German civilian and military deaths are both roughly at around 3 million each

the Soviets are responsible for 90% of German military deaths, and %60 of all German civilian deaths

the Western Allies are responsible for 10% of German military deaths, and %40 of all German civilian deaths

Technically that makes the Soviets method of fighting more civilian-friendly... I am sure it would have been higher if they had had the capability of fire-bombing

Of course statistics speak nothing about the morality or necessity of such acts, nor the brutality in which they were comitted

 

Of course it depends on your definition of "rape on a grand level", but honestly I fail to see how you can accuse the french troops of that kind of behaviour and list them side by side with the japanese, germans, soviets....
There simply is no comparison.

In 1945, there were some 1400-1500 accusations of rape against french troops.
Of course I know that there were a lot more than that since many german civilians probably were to afraid or ashamed to make an accusation.

As the french army entered Germany it was made clear by generals De Monsabert and De Lattre de Tassigny that that kind of behaviour would be severely punished.
In 1945 11 french soldiers were executed by french military governement for being convinced of rape.

As I already noted, rapes still happened and all too often remained unpunished.
And I do not think that the fact that the germans had comitted atrocities in France too is any kind of excuse.

Still I do not see "rape on grand level" here.(compared to what happened elsewhere....)

 

You are right... what I meant to say was that the French were slightly more brutal in extracting 'revenge' than the US/UK... both in WW1 and WW2. not necessarily talking just about rape... But no: not on the scale of the Germans / Soviets

 

About the massive rapes;Some historians say that the majority of children born in Ukraine during '42-'44 had German fathers.Also they claim that there is still 1-2 million of persons in Europe today born because of the rapes. These numbers, however, do not contain rapes committed by Soviet soldiers-only those committed by the Germans. However i don't know much more about that research-except of a book that will be published soon.

 

THis is discussed in Max Hastings' Armageddon as well.

 

tie off both stumps and drag him to aid station...better example ...chindit base discovered by jap army ...enemy closeing in gotta bug out now...what to do with wounded who cant walk?
answer shoot them ...it a far better death than they will get from the ija...this was done several times in the chindits and prolly other partisan groups as well

 

McRis, i heard that the Germans did suprisingly little raping; because they deemed themselves too 'genetically superior' to mate with the slavs...

 

german troops tend to be protestant ,disciplined and fairly uptight...some german troops prolly got roarin drunk and did rape and looting sometimes..their officers would not be happy....the slavs are a different stripe of cat...getting falling down drunk and helping yourself to the conquered females is a matter of course...remember the serbs(SLAVIC) going wild rapeing all the girls in bosnia...its one of the big reasons we dragged the uns ass over there to stop it...enuff with the gang rapes already....the red army in 45 was hell on earth in germany and prussia,,,but we looked the other way ...figured krauts had it commin....

 

Well, they kinda did... besides, going back home to live in Stalins Union was probably punishment enough for those red army soldiers

 

They kinda did? Amazing comment. I suppose the teenage girls and mothers were guilty of war crimes and had it coming? There is no justifying such bestial behaviour by anyone at any time.

 

uh-huh

 

I beleive sex with slavs was forbidden. There were times when both male and female were both executed because one as German and another one was slavic.

 

It happened however. As i stated before a book is going to be published about that.It's written by Kerstin Mut (german name-don't know exact spelling :-? ). She states that although sex with Slav women was forbidden these particular orders were violated without any serious penalty-if there was any in most occasions...

 

This was in the heart of Germany in Berlin and many other cities in which slavic labour was used in Germany in large numers. Heard they evan created brothels just for the slavs to use.

 

not only teen girls, greg ,girls of elementry school age by the tens of thousands...sholzinyetsen even wrote a poem about his artillery company rapeing a preteen girl to death...quite touching....theve made many good and horrifieing movies about the holocaust.shindlers list ,the pianest....it would be impossible to make a realistic movie about the red armys advance into hungary ,chzek,prussia ,austria ect...it would be too horrible to show,the movie going public would sh&t brick...

 

Just as in the British Empire sex with the 'natives' was highly discouraged, but happened.

 

Catholics are as numerous as Protestants in Germany, and of the Protestants, most are not-so-very-uptight Lutherans rather than Calvinists.

 

jep, it´s disgusting, I really hate these russian soldiers, not all, if I would meet a russian veteran, who comitted such crimes, I would kill him defintly, a SS-guard aswell, every murder, who kills civilians should be burn in hell, hope they get f*cked up by the devil himself. I can´t understand, how people can behave like that.

"War cares nothing for innocence" and I hate war, I really hate this shit and people, who loves it or declare war for bloody reasons. I just want peace for my girlfriend, myself and the rest of the world. I´ve become a pacifist!

There is nothing to add !

Regards,
Che.

 

Che Guevara but I want to show some light on another side of the statement. According to the Catholic faith you should not judge others esspecially when it comes where they go after they die. It does not matter how bad the person was in the point of view of a Catholic. They essentially dont decide where a person went after their death and it is a sin according to the faith to do so.
Just showing that your statement is not valid to many people not only catholics but also ethiest because they dont beleive in heaven and hell, among other groups.

 

I bet thats exactly what the typical SS or Ruski solider was thinking as he shot his way through Europe, fuelled by vengence and anger... Neither you nor me can understand how people can behave like that because we have never fought in a war

If theres one thing I've learnt its not to preach what you can't practise... Dunno about you Che, but I highly doubt my ability to 'kill' a 7ft tall SS guard armed to the teeth with a side order of psychosis... Also I would never put myself in a position to judge such Russian/German soldiers... Although their actions were abhorrent, I have never gone through the pain and suffering of war that they have and am in no position to judge their actions, nor say 'how i want to kill them'.

I am sure that given the choice, these people would not have fought a war in the first place