But we should compensate for that right? I'm confused...I was far happier when it was just...we will fight them on the beaches...Now they are everywhere...I dont know my enemy anymore.. And on top of that we have a credit crunch...I feel guilty just worrying about global warming now....
Which is exactly what the FB is doing, Stefan. This is the giveaway- "Fire minister Sadiq Khan said: "We want the widest range of applicants to apply to join the fire and rescue service" In other words, another Labour Party jobworth trying to justify his own salary. Presumably they also have a special new uniform for any Hassidic/Haredi Jews who might want to join? What about Pagans- will they be required to work on Solstices? "Tolerance" doesn't mean diluting your own culture because some bleeding heart considers someone elses to be much more important. Are we taking bets on the life expectancy of any Muslim female firefighter stupid enough to walk into a blaze in that outfit? So why bother supplying it?
Pagans? Didnt the Romans finish them off? If not why not? But to be serious for a minute...They could move the shifts round to everyones benefit...Its always a bind as any uniformed serviceman or woman will tell you, be it forces, police, fire, ambulance, AA or RAC.....Come Xmas the married guys want it off because of the kids...the sinlies want Saturday Friday Nights off and the Girls all want Saturday off...you see where I'm going with this yet? So no let them have Solstices off...they can do Xmas, Girls can have Friday off as the Hassidic Jews can work to a certain hour or am I wrong? Saturday we have similar probs but They can have that free and let the Muslims do Saturday, Birthdays are now the only problem as I see it. But if your silly enough to have your birthday on Xmas day and be a pagan then its just tough...this has to be pointed out at time of signing on...
But that isn't what is being done is it? Sorry, is not wearing a headscarf part of our culture? No, it isn't! There is a hell of a lot more to our culture than hats and scarves, we have centuries of history, art, literature, music, Magna Carta, the great reform acts, philosophy and much more. If you think that lot is endangered by the fire brigade deciding not to deliberately exclude ethnic minorities then I feel truly sorry for you! As for the whole Hassidic Jews thing, well if you look you will see that this was partly driven by Asians within the fire brigade, therefore it is clearly felt that there is a need for such changes. There has been no push by the Jewish community so there probably won't be any adaptations to uniform regulations for them. It really worries me when people are so scared of change that they think tolerating and accepting the needs and wishes of others destroys our culture. When they start talking about banning Shakespeare or burning down the Tate then I will worry, but quite frankly we are in more danger of that from our own home grown brand of idiots than any ethnic minority!
Stefan- I think you should save the pity for yourself, since you're clearly easily led. This idea was spawned by a self-interest group with an ulterior motive; I'll put money on their being no popular support for this within the FB itself. No-one is suggesting the FB is deliberately excluding anyone, and if they do suggest it, I'll lead a public campaign for the union to sue them for slander. You know what really worries me? That in a thread called The world of PC Madness there appears to be a PC dogma around which parts of PC dogma we're allowed to have opinions on. Fuck this- I won't be visiting this thread again in a hurry.
You know what really annoys me? That in a thread on PC madness, there appears to be a pc dogma on which parts of pc dogma we're allowed to have opinions on. Fuck that- I won't be visiting this thread again in a hurry.
Ok, timeout everyone. The main reason for this thread was to point out crazy daft things that are happening all round us and to poke fun at it. If anyone is hit by PC Madness I'm sure all will take it up with who ever, be it letter, phone call or in person. Yes this loony rubbish gets our backs up but lets not let it win and give you or I the grumps. From now on keep it lightweight and relaxed. yes I except I have naffed off some folk here with some of my wording so lets all cool down and chill out. This is just a request and I am not a moderator. Richard
Dogs, who mentioned dogs....dogs worry me...I'm staying in the fox hole until they've gone past...someone let me know when its safe to come out.... Gordon..mate....you said you weren't then you did...Your worse then me mate. As for Pc....what about the home secretary...Now theres some pc and a half. As Forget the expenses...I'm more than bothered that Gordons Sky sports package used to be picked up by the tax payer himself...dont know if it still is...Forget the fact hubby is paid to be her assistant and the 2 houses and the cost of a bath plug...I always did my expenses and I dont remember claiming for a bath plug...I would normally have took that out of my wages, but forget that.... Home secretary, on radio 5 weekly these days....Talking about tv violence and its effect of kids of today...Does it doesnt it....2 weeks ago spouting off about wife battering and rape laws not too long ago... Prize to the pc person who can date the last time she was talking about porn and its effect on the family etc yada yada yada....Bet its there somewhere...
Sorry Gordon, I simply feel that it is just as much my right to point out that whatever daily mailesque nonsense goes up has a touch of reality added to it. Why on earth are people getting upset about such little things? As for the FB deliberately excluding people, well, let's see, you have an ethnic group who will not join if they have to break the rules laid down by their religion or culture to do so, if you make it so that they have to break these rules then you are deliberately excluding them. What is the problem with saying 'sure, wear a head-scarf as long as it is the one laid down in our uniform regulations,' everybody will be happy. What does it matter? Please, explain to me how this is actually harming our culture? All it is doing is making it a bit more inclusive which surely is one of the greatest strength of the 'British' culture.
Daily Mail... Historian rants at army officer. Daily Mirror... Army officer puts boot in on infamous historian Independant.... New cure found for trench foot. Telegraph.... Eminent Historical theory shows British Army officers are all Muslim supporters. Files found in Iraq also associate George Galloway in plot to recruit officers. Times.... Army admit officers falling far short of expectaions in political views. Sandhurst trained officers blame the standard of lectures given by civilian History acedemics. Express....Lady Diana dead....Is History to blame...and that bloody Rupert officer with the Ginger hair...we name names.. Sun....Home secretary makes boob boob in porn issue... Firebrigade union weekly.....Fired up...New uniforms all washed out....Fireman noble of Exley retained fire fiighting branch...shop tgwu 010101 states new uniforms shrink when wet... Muslim council of Great Britain news...Whats great about it...? Richards blog.... Doomed doomed...were all doomed....if it wasnt for jelly babies the world would be wobbling on the brink...
It was a BBC story. You're the only one who mentioned the Daily Mail. I'l bet they'll be surprised to be accused of being in cahoots with the BBC. I'm back to apologise for the foul and unnecessary language I used- there was no need for it in a forum frequented by young people. Apart from that - and the double post caused by my laptop playing up- I'm done with this thread.
Even you are allowed to lose it Historian...Dont think anyones bothered. That would be pc of us. Better than kicking the cat.
Depends on the cat. Gordon, I said 'daily mailesque,' I saw nothing bad in the BBC's article, just in the reactionary diatribe it provoked.
Everyone calmed down now? OK, what do you make of this, I got chatty to a teacher this morning at a school near me and she came out with something very odd. It was the schools policy to encourage parents to drive there children to the school or to escort them all the way if walking to school. Reason, the school feels we are living in dangerous times where children would be attacked on the way to school! I put to her I see no differences from my time and now in the terms of a possible incident. She agreed but felt it was better to be safe than sorry. I then asked, did they have any evidence that we today live in more of a dangerous place? The answer was no. I also asked are all the parents going along with this request, again the answer was no.
Ah well, it sounds like reasonably sensible advice, 'if you can, take your kids to school' but obviously people don't have to actually listen to it.