Todays Germany needs to reconcile?

This ""Politically Correct"" reply ought to get his blood to boiling but, WELL SAID Robert-WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, you got 34 reps for this Mate ;-))

 

Hello V.B.,

let me please say that in regards to my feelings/interpretation most of your posts are written in a very "abrasive" style - well heck, some of mine too - that's why I spend some time in the cooler - but I was given cake (just the bloody file in it was missing).

Your post initally stated:

So the "touchy" German took his position as follows.

1. Modern Germany did not commit any "own" crimes
2. Attempted?? - we bloody well appologized to everyone and to everything - we payed to everone and everything
And that is in my opinion a hell lot more then "attempted"
3. Sucessfull or unsucessfull - why the option?
We Germans IMHO have been vey sucessfull - there will always be certain people who will drill into this matter till the day they pass away - however I do believe that today's German appearence and comittment, and the way we are being treated by others proofes - that we have succeeded in making up for the crimes related to the Nazis who ruled our country for 12 years out of a 1000 or even 2000 years of so called German/Germanic history.

That is what I wanted to straighten out - and looking onto the comments of the other rouges who posted - I am indeed very happy to see that modern Germany has suceeded in retaining a very good image on this globe (well actually it's not a globe, the earth is flat).

Regards
Kruska

 

But isnt that the thing Volga...You state you are collectively respo0nsible for the fallout..When most of say you are not....That is the difference.

 

Only as a government of a country should amends be made for past wrong doings, not as single people. As our Prime Minister said in his Apology for the Stolen Generation.

The Apology - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

Ah well ..its educating though to see that demanding excuses from one country leads to flak on a similar problem in the history of the others country .
We have a saying in dutch that the splinter in the others eye is a wooden bar in ones own eye ...

 

Dont throw stones in glass houses.

 

Or fart in church....

 

Hmm. not sure about this at all - could be a silent one.

Luther (no not L. King) said:

"Wenn's Arscherl brummt, is es Herzerl gsund"

For ze Englanders:

If your backside makes a sound, is shows that your heart is sound.(healthy)

Regards
Kruska

 

That's what I've been telling everybody!

 

:christmastree: Amen my son, Amen :christmastree:

Regards
Kruska

 

ahhhh....I understand now....We must have many healthy folk on this forum then...

 

A bloke who chooses not to recieve PMs????

What in the name of John Wayne's Ass are you on about?

If a private message comes to my board, it gets to me.....I don't always reply, but they all get to me. Just as an aside, I don't really know what you guys are argueing about. No sour grapes here, with the exception of Russians, who cannot and will not tolerate criticism of their "Sacred Motherland", and feel that 'airbrushing' the historical record is quite OK as long as the Motherland is not involved...

I mean, they can imprison people for not much at all on a quota system, establish NKVD "Blocking Battalions" with the power of life and death over "deserters"....no presumption of innosence, no trial....Their current government does all it can to keep the cold war alive and kicking.....1 unit of foreign currency in every 4 that comes into the country 'dissappears' entirely....American oil people that I talk to claim their oil producing companies are paid a hell of a lot of cash, on time and in US dollars, but these same companies cannot pay their own bills....the country is a MESS, and they expect posters like myself to glorify their sordid Soviet past in the name of not offending their sensibilities....

I will continue to criticize anyone who attempts to glorify the Soviet Union, and the modern state of Russia. Corrupt, inefficient, poor business people, ruled by organised crime....who needs em'?

 

As for 'reputation' meaning anything outside of this forum....it doesn't.

Politically Correct pats on the back are in the same category....meaningless outside of the forum.

Just because you have no reputation, this does not mean that your opinion is worthless. THAT is political correctness in action.

Everyone is equal, no-one is wrong or incorrect...Thats the PC credo. I certainly don't live by that mindless twaddle. If I am found wrong, I'll be happy to admit it rather than spending time pointing fingers.

 

I was stationed in Germany in the 80s and I'm very fond of the people I knew there, most of them were decent, intelligent, kind and honest people.

The Nazi regime had to be defeated, The Nazis not the German people were to blame for the war. Members of certain units like the SS should have all imprisoned but instead the Allies decided to only punish a small number of the top leaders. The German people were for the most part not fascist.

There is even a base in Germany that I remember driving by named after the Desert Fox, he was not a nazi and was implicated in the plot to kill Hitler, I guess that's why they named it after him:Rommel-Kaserne

 

Maybe cos he wants to keep it to the public forum which is his right. He probably has the balls to discuss things in the open and not behind closed doors. Not to all our tastes I know, but some balls are needed to take the flack and keep coming back...Your repeat prescription for gonads is approved Volga. Dont agree like Carl with all you say, especially on Russian matters, but definately got gonads matey.

A58 again hits the mark, which is surprising for a policeman and a para..Im impressed...And if were talking copper and coppers.....

 

Your correct, quite a few of us here were based in Germany over the years. Loved every minute of it. People are same all over the world..good and bad...Germany like any nation is no better no worse today than any other nation or people. I for one loved German state, German food, German society, German police were impressive and there to protect and serve. In fact if we were to remove Kruska permanantly I'd go back and live there happilly...Cant say fairer than that can I...

 

Henri Salmide, 90, Dies; German’s Defiance Saved a French Port
By MAÏA DE LA BAUME
Published: March 6, 2010

PARIS — Henri Salmide, a former German naval officer who defied orders to blow up the French port of Bordeaux in 1944, died on Feb. 23. He was 90 and lived in Bordeaux.
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Olivier Morin/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images, 1994

A World War II hero: Henri Salmide in Bordeaux, France.

His wife, Henriette, confirmed the death.

Born Heinz Stahlschmidt, Mr. Salmide was a junior officer serving in Bordeaux as a bomb-disposal expert when, in August 1944, he was instructed to destroy the city’s port facilities and docks, among France’s most extensive.

Initially following orders, he stockpiled thousands of pounds of ordnance in a German bunker and was to lay the explosives throughout the port. The Germans expected that about 3,500 people would die in the explosions.

But Petty Officer Stahlschmidt, nicknamed the “Little Frenchman” by the French dock workers who knew him, chose to disobey the orders and instead exploded the bunker itself, killing as many as 50 Nazi soldiers.

Wanted by both the Gestapo and the French authorities, Mr. Salmide hid with a French Resistance family in Bordeaux. After the war he married a French woman, Henriette Buisson, and was naturalized as Henri Salmide.

“I acted according to my Christian conscience,” Mr. Salmide told Reuters in an interview in 1997. “I could not accept that the port of Bordeaux be wantonly destroyed when the war was clearly lost.”

Heinz Stahlschmidt was born on Nov. 13, 1919, to a German plumber and his wife in the western German city of Dortmund. After World War II, he was considered by many Germans to have been a traitor. He worked as a firefighter in Bordeaux but struggled to win recognition in France as well.

“No one wanted to admit that he had done it,” Mrs. Salmide said in a telephone interview. “If he had been French, it would have been easier for him.” She is his only immediate survivor.

Dominique Lormier, a French historian who has written extensively about how the war unfolded in the southwest of France, said in an interview that “the French Resistance wanted to self-appropriate the story by saying that they were behind Salmide’s actions.”

In 1994, Mr. Salmide was awarded the Légion d’Honneur partly in recognition of his contribution to saving the port of Bordeaux in 1944.

New York Times...

Just to point out some need to thank the German Joe at times as well as run down.

 

For Paris theres a bit similar story , Dietrich von Choltitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

 

Hello urgh,

this Kruska's family has been part of Germany's military history for more then 700 years. To remove Kruska would mean to remove German military history from Europe, now you being a British, I simply can't imagine that you would wan't this to hap.....ah....well.....hmm.....ach ze Irlaender Teufel you.

 

Not all S.S. members were scum, criminals, etc, there were good officers/soldiers in the S.S. too. Infact, our own C.Evans had the opportunity to meet some S.S. veterans in the "aughts" (2000-2009) as people call it now. It's good that the Allies didn't try to tarnish all with the same brush since people like Ernst Barkmann, Kurt Meyer (although his trial was controversial to say the least), etc for instance despite having a great war record would have been condemned for no reason at all.

There were plenty of non Nazi's in Germany at the time, I saw a figure that said at it's height Nazi membership in Germany was only around 10%, considering Germany's population and the intimidation tactics used to try to boost membership, those numbers really aren't as high as one might believe.

One word to settle them all: Hessian.