U.S. police to use Russian shotguns?!

I'm going to disagree with that. Putting sabot slugs through mine with the tactical sight I have on it, it's freaking awesome. It's pretty damn accurate. if you are shooting shot of any type, you don't need the sight. This gun isn't going to be shooting any shot, unless it's the PDX with the 00buck followed by a 1oz hollow point slug.

 

Thats correct, i´m using a RedDot on my Mossberg and it is very helpful to place the Slug´s at the right point. A 585grs. Slug will be well placed to anger only the agressor and nobody else.

 

The article does not tell us the important things! How many PD's have bought how many weapons? If it's Bumf**k Sheriff's office with 15 officers that has bought twenty Saiga's the whole thing is not worth the ink spilt. But if we are talking about big departments and large numbers of weapons on order, the whole affair has a different face, so wait and see!

I shot the Saiga a few times, surely not a bad gun, but for LE work I would still prefer an M4S90, but I have to admit that I might be biased And you have to accept that price sometimes is a factor!

Regarding sights on shotguns, it makes sense, depending on what you use it for, not on a Masterkey but for sabot slugs it surely does. Otherwise the guys at Benelli would not have put a rail on the JSCS.

 

Agreed. I dunno much about shotguns (I inherited a JC Higgins single-barrel 12-gage, but it needs a trip to a gunsmith before I'd be comfy pullin its trigger), but in all things media-related, ALWAYS read what was written as "factual news" with a very large grain of salt (roughly large enough to cause Bambi to pass out from sheer pleasure....which makes shooting the smug bass-turd so much easier). I would have to imagine that there was a year or so of extensive testing of various manufacturers, models, accessories, and ammunition that went before this decision. Still, though, I read good things about Saiga's from various gunny-blogs, but all of the good ones will readily admit that owning a shotgun is just like owning anything else, that everyone has a preference and most will rabidly defend their pet shotgun/handgun/rifle/ammunition/car/truck/coffee/Army-blanket-fort-building-method. When reading reviews on guns, I'll look for drawbacks....and if I see the same problems popping up in reviews by various bloggers (who don't usually get paid to write their reviews), then I quit looking at that particular piece.

 

... these weapons, if acquired by the more professional/reputable Police Services, would be used by Tactical Teams. Here in Ontario, there's provincial legislation closely governing/standardizing how Police Services operate, which includes what they can acquire/utilize by way of "use of force" options. In contrast, in the US, given the multiple jurisdictional levels, there's a HUGE amount of variation. I suspect you could find these guns "on the road".

This gun has a limited niche, you certainly wouldn't want this for long range, I'd be concerned about barrel choke and spread, so the fancy sights are superfluous. That said, if you need that many rounds, beyond what you get with the police standard Remington 870, you should be looking for another option i.e. like the C8, our current rifle (think M-16 CQB), or the Ruger Mini-14 (think M-14). For POU work, I'd stay with the ARWEN 40mm. What I like about this weapon is its barrel length & semi-auto, this could be an ideal close quarters point-shoot weapon for urban use, it has advantages over a C8 (though not the HK MP5, depends on application) for clearing buildings, but that big mag could be considered an oversized limitation; limited niche.

When I started, 30 yrs. ago, our long guns included the Remington 870, FN FAL 7.62X51mm NATO, and the Winchester .30-30, lever action, hard to believe.

 

From what I understand, there's nothin that beats a good scattergun for room-to-room cleaning (and redecorating...that room really did need the Jackson Pollack treatment! In red.)

 

I think it would come in quite handy in house to house fighting with the military. As nasty as combat is in urban areas, something like this would give you an "edge" as Oddball said to Kelly in "Kelly's Heroes."

Combat loading shotgun shells on the firing line can get tricky at times, just as reloading revolvers (even with speed loaders) were before we went over to automatics. Nothing more scarier than the thought of having to reload in tense situations. Dropping and popping in a new mag will reduce the fear factor considerably.

 

We had lessons in quick reloading the shotguns and during that i found out that my Mossberg Pump -Action is much better to handle than a Benelli. I need know 10.6 seconds to fire 8 rounds, change position from standing into a covered position and reload it again with 8 rounds. Once we had the Franchi SPAS 15 but it wasn´t good. It had problems with different sorts of ammo.

 

The SPASS is a fickle b**ch! I don't think reloading time should be that big an issue, in typical scenarios where a shotgun would be needed you generally work in a team, so there is always a backup. The shotgun would not be my choice for patrolrifle.

 

Not really a patrol rifle, there are much finer ones out there. But for me the shotgun would be always a better choice than a Sub-MG. You´re able to bring more bullets on the way with 3 rounds of Buckshot than you would do with a MP in the same time. And you can change to a broad bandwith of rounds like Slugs, some bad fire setting rounds, rubber ammo and so on. And don´t forget to use your own pistol if there isn´t enough time for a complete reloading procedure.

 

Just racking a round into the chamber strike fear into the hearts of would-be opponents and thugs. It really changes the tone of the situation quickly. Nobody wants to hear what comes next. Of course this is related to police work and not actual combat.

 

If you have to reload...you're in a world of hurt...

 

That's the point I was making earlier, the shotgun shell mag would make things much easier come re-loading time.

 

Maybe they never saw this puppy, the AA12:
AA-12 Fully Automatic Shotgun!!! - YouTube
Buddy speaks excellent Russian.

 

Whats Russian for wanka? oh, AA-12....

 

He's the next Vince SlapChop of 12 gauges.

 

Baahh, he is only a few seconds faster than i am! Not more than 12 or 15 seconds!!!

 

I believe it is a cost issue alone, the Russian weapon must come in at a lower per unit expense since similar "riot" style shot-guns have been available in the US since the 1980, and one even made under license here in the states.

Goto:

Modern Firearms - Striker / Protecta

 

The AA 12 is an old design (from 1972) and fires at around 300rpm. Designed and still made in the USA by MPS inc, from what I have seen of interviews with the boss of MPS, only a few have been made so far for trials as they are technically illegal to own as they are automatic weapons.

 

You are able to own them if you have a Class III FFL.