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Discussion in 'The Members Lounge' started by Ricky, Apr 11, 2005.

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Are they out there?

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  1. Ricky

    Ricky Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe (like with British & US WW2-era stuff) you just get a fair few glitches & false contacts.

    btw - what radar did Russia have in WW2?
     
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    I to have seen a UFO , it was shaped like a vertical cresent , and it had a blue light in the back and a red light next to it. , I live a mile from an airport and I've seen every plane imaginable from F-16's to the unusual looking Beluga Plane , but this object was no plane , another thing it made no noise and moved extremely slow , if a cessena moved that slowly the engine would stall and the plane would go down.
     
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    Was it night or day?
     
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    It was US or British radar that they used, not during WW2 but after I believe.
     
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    It was in the day , I was goin to upload a drawing of it I made on Paint ShopPro but it wouldn't upload to this forum , so I'll draw a pic and scan it onto my computer. No luck , won't be able to get a drawing scanned onto my computer
     
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    UFOs are usually strange light formations in the dark, such as the une Zhukov's describing or the ones seen in Belgium that you mention. These can often be discarded right away as fake because they are too easy. There are simply too many lights shining into the night in human-inhabited areas. The picture of the Belgian UFOs obviously isn't sharp; for all we know they are lampposts in rainy weather. Besides I'm willing to bet that before the movie "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" came out, practically no one saw UFOs in night lights.

    Interestingly, UFO sightings have been at an all time low in Britain this year - allegedly because there was some "real news" for the media to report on! :D
     
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    You can't credit all UFO sightings to illusions .

    But I do believe if someone goes to a place where there have been UFO sightings before I think they subconsiously want to see a UFO and they might mistake every light or plane for a UFO.
     
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    But I lived in the country, not a soul for miles and miles.

    Britain is famous for their UFO sightings, am I correct? They must really like the tea or something :D
     
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    Why not? None of them ever have conclusive evidence, and none sound very credible anyway. The only reason to believe in them would often be that you have seen them yourself, such as in your case or Zhukov's.
     
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    Of course not, or we would not be having this discussion ;) . There may not be conclusive evidence directly, but indirectly there is some interesting clues.

    There have been found burned markings on the ground (many of which have been found to be radioactive) found the morning after a UFO sighting. Then there are the cattle mutilations, also commonly found after a UFO sighting. And the infamous crop circles, some of which are so intricate that they incorporate different pitches on the musical scale, something that has proven to be impossible for humans to replicate.

    But I agree with you, most people will not believe until they encounter an experience of their own. It's all relative.

    I highly disagree with you here. There are thousands of reports across the globe of people who describe their encounters in extraordinary detail. Many of these people hide their indentities, ruling out the claim that these people are doing it for the fame. Others are people who were in a position of power and prestige (such as Senators, Generals, Politicians, etc.) and once they claim to have seen a UFO, have been ridiculed and shunned by their fields, and end up going down the whole time standing by their beliefs.

    Of course this can all be ruled out if the theory that the various world governments are involved in a massive disinformation scheme to hide the truth from the people.
     
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    I've seen one too , just becuase you can't provide an alien interstellar craft dosen't mean UFO are illusions.
     
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    I've seen one too. But that doesn't mean it wasn't an illusion.
    People see what they believe (and I haven't written that the wrong way round)
     
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    please explain to humble idiots like me what this means...
     
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    I'd like to see some people do this in one night , if that was people there would have been inperfections
     
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    But if we can work out what the're based on then a human could have worked it out beforehand to make the thing. What would be interesting if they were done on a "different" musical scale - you'll note that most (all that I've read) of the mathematical intricacies in UFOlogy have a Western tendency, the Chinese (AFAIK) and other cultures use a different scale (12?? not a musician, but am a bit of a mathematician) and the UFOs/ crop circles always seem to be in-line with Western thinking.
    Racist bias on the part of UFOs/ the Western way of thought is universal/ hoaxes by western-educated people :lol: :lol:
     
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    Yes there are UFO's

    And on a similar subject, the aliens are amongst, or at least they tonight.....

    :smok:
     
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    I would try to explain it myself, but I'm not sure I understand all of it. This should help:
    http://www.anomalist.com/reports/music.html

    http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/sounds1.html (this one is much more detailed)


    Maybe, but to make something so accurate, so large, so beautiful in a couple of hours in the dark really profounds me.

    The scientist who figured out the diatonic ratios in the crop circles offered 10,000 pounds to however could work out the 5th formula in his experiments. He did this in an effort to weed out the hoaxers (if there were any) and no one every took up the offer.

    I don't know about you guys, but if someone offered me 10,000 pounds to solve something I came up with myself, I wouldn't turn it down. :D

    Oh yes, in an alien/UFO book I read a while back it mentioned that a photographer, Busty Taylor, took a photo of a crop circle in the making in 1987. I have yet to find the picture but I would love to see it.
     
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    I've seen video ! , 2 small balls of light were swirling around , and as they passed the crops they left a path of flattened crop.
     
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    Let me guess, it was dark, the video was zoomed in so much that details couldn't really be made out, and the balls of light moved about irregularly in their own path? It sounds to me like two guys with torches were having a little fun making UFO enthusiasts freak out.
     
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    And still all of these "based on music" theories continue to talk about western music. Listen to Chinese/ Japanese music (if you can for very long :lol: ), (or even Philip Glass - eurgh) to western ears it tends to be discordant and arrythmic - but to them it's natural. So all the "research" is proving aliens are western-oriented.
    I doubt that would be the case, and the golden mean etc is largely set up on base-10 maths, again a largely western (babylonians had base-60 hence hours, minutes, seconds) bias, there is no reason why an alien race should use base-10.
    If the guy
    why hasn't he published and made his name.
    Personally speaking I'd far rather have a mathematical theorem named after me than have just about any amount of money you could name. $10,000 (although I can't find any mention of the sum of money offered) lasts a while (at my rate of spending about 3 months), but school kids/ scientists being taught "Oli's Theorem of Whatever" for the rest of history? Absolutely no contest.
    This guy derived his theorem from examination of the circles, presumably the tens of thousands of takers of the challenge had the same data.
    Which is more logical therefore:
    1) the one guy is wrong and daren't admit it/ won't admit it and is keeping his theorem secret to avoid ridicule
    2) this guy is immeasurably smarter (no time period given for his derivation of the theorem, but I assume it wasn't years or decades) than "tens of thousands" of other people who are actively seeking an answer and have the same data
    Occam's razor people
    I constantly find it incredible (in the literal sense of the word, ie I don't believe it) when a "scientific investigator" comes across an Earth-shattering/ paradigm changing proof/ theorem/ principle and keeps it to himself. Not the way science is done, not the way a true scientist reacts.
     

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